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    What would it take for you to stay in NZ?

    Gimme your opinions on the following:

    1. I'm in my 20's, have been studying at uni for 5 years (clocked up a student loan higher than the national median annually income), and am ready to enter the workforce.

    2. Over the last 5 years I have had 16 close friends and immediate family members move overseas (just 3 have since come back). They all proudly boast that their lives are so much better after leaving NZ.

    3. So far, my search for jobs in NZ and abroad is showing that I could be 10-30K per year financially better off overseas (adjusted for varying cost of livings). And that's just in my first year of work....

    4. I study business and I know factually that NZ slips economically further behind most OECD member states each year, and that basically there is no promising signs this will improve given that we are still selling cheese when other countries have moved on to electronics and services.

    5. According to a recent news article, in NZ it now requires 80% of the median income to pay a mortgage for the median priced house. Housing affordability has reached all time lows.

    There are many more growing social problems with NZ too but I wont go into those.

    ANYWAY

    Despite all that, I'd like to hang around NZ as I think it's a bloody beautiful country with some awesome people (especially the KB Whanau!). A beach, river or lake is never more than 30 minutes away, traffic in Akl is still minor by world standards and the city is way more scenic and greener than places like Tokyo, Shanghai etc.

    My question:

    For those of you that are remaining in NZ, why?

    -Lifestyle choice?
    -Friends and family?
    -Not convinced that you can earn that much more money overseas?

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    Im also in my 20's and like you have had a shit load of mates and family bugger off overseas. I keep thinking I may be better off overseas, but I do have a good job where I am and to be a proud kiwi I love this dam country to much, even if Helen and her minon are trying to ruin it.

    I believe the grass always looks greener on the other side, and hey it may be, but you have to figure out what is best for you. For me at the moment NZ is the best place for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macstar View Post
    Gimme your opinions on the following:

    1. I'm in my 20's, have been studying at uni for 5 years (clocked up a student loan higher than the national median annually income), and am ready to enter the workforce.

    2. Over the last 5 years I have had 16 close friends and immediate family members move overseas (just 3 have since come back). They all proudly boast that their lives are so much better after leaving NZ.

    3. So far, my search for jobs in NZ and abroad is showing that I could be 10-30K per year financially better off overseas (adjusted for varying cost of livings). And that's just in my first year of work....

    4. I study business and I know factually that NZ slips economically further behind most OECD member states each year, and that basically there is no promising signs this will improve given that we are still selling cheese when other countries have moved on to electronics and services.

    5. According to a recent news article, in NZ it now requires 80% of the median income to pay a mortgage for the median priced house. Housing affordability has reached all time lows.

    There are many more growing social problems with NZ too but I wont go into those.

    ANYWAY

    Despite all that, I'd like to hang around NZ as I think it's a bloody beautiful country with some awesome people (especially the KB Whanau!). A beach, river or lake is never more than 30 minutes away, traffic in Akl is still minor by world standards and the city is way more scenic and greener than places like Tokyo, Shanghai etc.

    My question:

    For those of you that are remaining in NZ, why?

    -Lifestyle choice?
    -Friends and family?
    -Not convinced that you can earn that much more money overseas?
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    What price to stay in New Zealand? These decisions are best made in one's younger years, I suspect. I have just turned down a tax-free job offer in Dubai. Where on earth are we going to ride our bikes over there?
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    If I was younger and without ties in NZ, I would be off. NZ is screwed and it is not going to improve anytime soon. I cannot believe how much harder it has got to make ends meet since I started full time work in 1992. We only seem to scrape by, the vehicles are all 20 years old and look like it, we never go out and all the fun stuff is unaffordable. It certainly isn't a flash lifestyle.
    There is always a "grass is greener" thing, but since the grass is looking pretty brown around here, I think it really is greener
    Family ties are the main thnig that is keeping me here, and I like NZ. I generlly don't like Aussie, but any young chap(ess) would be a mug to stay here.
    I could get a job overseas pretty much anywhere, especially once I finish my registration in a year or so. Pay rates in Aussie aren't much higher than I am getting here, but it seems to buy more after tax.
    I can think of 6 or so engineers in my field that have left for Oz in the last 2 years, including some good friends. Given there were only 12 in my class when I did it (5 kiwis, rest overseas) and there are 5 total doing the degree this year, it speaks for itself.
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    Reading the first part of your post I was surprised to see you even ask the question really. Go! get out there, work hard and make yourself some serious money.

    For me NZ is a special place, I am not citizen, but have lived here the best part of my life. Go get out there, work hard and make yourself some serious money.

    Confused? dont be.......you can make good money anywhere in the world if you want to work for it. Personally NZ offers too many positives, lifestyle, beaches, climate to make me want to move away.

    My family envy me living here, they may be better off financially but I reckon I win every other way!
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    Go and earn some serious cash, see the world etc while you're young. I'll bet you a dollar to a knob of goat's shit you'll be back. Eventually.

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    Looks like a lot of different questions to me.. lets look at them one at a time

    1. I'm in my 20's, have been studying at uni for 5 years (clocked up a student loan higher than the national median annually income), and am ready to enter the workforce.

    So what. Lets say we are both 17 and leave school. You secure your future by doing a degree in dentistry. I secure mine by buying a Scania B train and hauling logs to Tauranga. We both borrow $300K. Big deal, except you can go overseas and your parents wont get to pay the loan on your behalf.

    2. Over the last 5 years I have had 16 close friends and immediate family members move overseas (just 3 have since come back). They all proudly boast that their lives are so much better after leaving NZ.

    Undebateable. They choose their measures of life value.

    3. So far, my search for jobs in NZ and abroad is showing that I could be 10-30K per year financially better off overseas (adjusted for varying cost of livings). And that's just in my first year of work....

    Undebateable. New Zealand is a socialist country, so those who achieve will always earn less than they could.

    4. I study business and I know factually that NZ slips economically further behind most OECD member states each year, and that basically there is no promising signs this will improve given that we are still selling cheese when other countries have moved on to electronics and services.


    Yes NZ slips behind other OECD countries.. thats due to Government policy, not the fact we are very very very good at cheese. Being good at stuffing capacitors into PC boards will not make you wealthy.. actually "hi-tech" is crap - only a very few engineers making real money are required - high tech is mostly a bunch of poor people stuffing PCBs with components to make someonme else wealthy.

    5. According to a recent news article, in NZ it now requires 80% of the median income to pay a mortgage for the median priced house. Housing affordability has reached all time lows.

    Absolutely true, but completely avoidable. Lots of companies eg Golden homes, Homestead, A1 etc still advertise homes at less than $1k/m2. So the home you grew up in would cost about $130K plus the cost of the section. Yet you have to pay $400K. The reason is a shortage of land, so terrible sections cost a small fortune. But NZ has no shortage of land. In fact we could all have a 1/8 acre section within 2 miles of the beach without a problem. Why can't you buy them ? because Government planners restrict growth, keeping prices high.

    They say "Shit, you can't use that flat paddock for houses - its valuable farm land producing broccoli ! If its used for housing it will never be returned to farming !"

    So instead of doubling your broccoli account from 0.75 a week to $1.50, they increase your section price from $50k to $300k.. but trust me, planning is for your own good.

    Bottom line.. you are right, but its not an unsolvable problem.. in fact, its a government created problem !

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    I went overseas and partied too hard so had to come back plus its frickin cold in places like the uk and ireland. would like to go to aus or canada or somewhere and earn more bread but one things stopping me - im a lazy git.

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    I came here over 30 years ago from the UK and have loved NZ right from the very start - people, the climate, the elusive "quality of life". I'm well paid but could certainly earn more overseas but at what cost to my chosen way of life? The OECD statistics need interpretation. Take the UK for example. Arguably a higher standard of living, certainly higher wages and to be blunt, the place effing depresses me for an awful lot of reasons. Surveys show a fair percentage of the population want to get out too. One of our kids is in the UK earning a lot of money, sufficient for him to have bought a $600,000 house in NZ for when he returns to live. We also have a son in Melbourne who has a great job but NZ will always be his home too. We encouraged our kids to stand on their own two feet and travel so they can get a better personal perspective of where they fit in the world - why don't you do the same?

    Where you call home is a very personal thing. We've travelled extensively and there's still no doubt for us that NZ is the place to be. I'm extremely proud to call myself a New Zealander, albeit one who was born elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peasea View Post
    Go and earn some serious cash, see the world etc while you're young. I'll bet you a dollar to a knob of goat's shit you'll be back. Eventually.
    Great advice, mate.

    I'm a Londoner (you can take the boy out of London but you can't take the London out of the boy ) and I've lived and worked in the US and Spain as well as visiting many many other countries in my travels. I'm in NZ as my Kiwi misses did a 10 year stint in London with me so it's her turn, basically. I love NZ and the people are a great bunch. NZ is the only other country other than England where I could see myself settling.

    I've met many Kiwis overseas over the years and one thing about them that sets them apart from other nationalites I've met is that they all planned to come home eventually.

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    I can see myself going overseas to get into bigger money, and for me its more of a reality as i currently have a number of options on my horizon for the new year, however I find it hard to justify leaving simply for better money, I think in my heart that the I won't meet people like the (wider) group of friends that I have in NZ and that for me NZ will always be home.

    Perhaps my views will change with experience overseas, but as much as i'm planning on getting out of here im making plans to come back and keep in touch with all the good people i've met through biking and all the other parts of my life.

    Money isn't everything, but if you can find a balance between a good income and a good lifestyle (the NZ way of life may be your lifestyle) then you're well on the way to answering your own question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedie View Post
    then why dont you stay and use your degree to maybe fix it, not fuck off elsewhere like everyone else because its easier and make more money.
    I don't know the specifics of my friend's student loan repayments from abroad. I'd personally repay mine.

    I'm not really sure on what to say to the above comment though. "What can one person do?" comes to mind - but I hear you... Thing is, previous generations stuffed NZ and the environment for that matter, now my generation has to fix it. My parents generation in NZ got free education, good incomes, cheap houses etc. Nowadays, NZ is in big trouble as the baby boomers approach retirement and people like me are needed to stick around so that we can pay taxes for their superannuation because previous governments blew super funds on other things.

    My duty to NZ... the country has made a good profit out of educating me, if I stay it will take some of the highest taxes from my wages in the OECD countries and I'll probably never be able to afford to support a family and own a decent house in Akl!

    But I'll get relatively OK and free healthcare.

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    Mate I wouldn't leave NZ for anything, however in your case I would recommend that you do go overseas, earn some good pinghas, and in due course you'll learn to appreciate NZ all the more. Yeah NZ aint what it used to be and I believe the current labour govt has served to social engineer a sorry less than ideal situation. However the grass is always greener and UK/Aussie aint that flash either.

    End of the day trackdays for $50? Well fuck me all to hell NZ gets my vote
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