Police shoot and kill another person

**sAsLEX** · 28th September 2007, 00:00

Originally Posted by Joni

My question is not really about this case alone... Im hoping someone can answer it for me...

Fair enough, when a cop feels they are under pressure, shoot! But 4 bullets? Hmmm excessive IMO.

9mm don't have all that much stopping power, the debate has been fought on the internet or years on there inadequacy for police work
http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/9mm%20vs%2045.htm etc

A pitbull in the states took 6 rounds to the head before dropping.

Originally Posted by scumdog

SEVENTEEN bullets in a Glock 17 mag.

But hey, the idea is once you start cranking on the trigger you keep doing so until the oxygen thief 'complies' and ceases to be a threat.

We have no limit on how many shots we can sail into threat.

You carry a spare mag? I guess the slide stays back on an empty mag making reload nice and quick? And does the Glock have a safety catch and are they in the holster with one up the spout?

Originally Posted by Delerium

The result is that if your shooting much more than 30 or so meters with a handgun, you may as well throw it at them (personal opionion).

The maximum effective range of a 9mm pistol is 50m, but in reality most engagements are under 15m

Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase

years ago a cop was killed by a fuckwit with a screwdriver ... got him in the carotid artery (IIRC) so "found objects" can be very effective. Murray Stretch I think was the cops name... poor bastard.

and any Joe Public that lives in that area of town has an axe to grind with the Pleece, no question.

One of the young guys I looked after in a course was proud he had "stuck the popo" with a screwdriver. This is a 17 year old "gangsta", the streets are dangerous out there in Aeoteoroa nowadays.

Originally Posted by Swoop

Pepperspray.
Better for up-close and personal conditions.

Would pepper spray actually stop them ? I doubt it if 9mm rounds are sometimes ineffective in small numbers at slowing people who are enraged etc

Originally Posted by shafty

WHAT IF..........we find there were 4 shots, namely 2 warning shots, then a leg shot, then the fatal shot? Fairer. From what I hear, that may be the case,

The NZ Police would not fire warning shots, or they would be breaking protocol at a guess, my training was if you pull that trigger it is only for effective rounds aimed at CoM.

**Toaster** · 28th September 2007, 00:02

Originally Posted by Skyryder

Fuck no. I might dead by the time that happens. As you get older you don't have time to wait for facts.

Skyryder

Hehe, good point!! At my age and with my heavy drinking I am bound to be dead by then.... hic!!

**devnull** · 28th September 2007, 00:16

Glock has an extremely clever safety on it.
If gunsmithing is of interest, it's definitely worth have a look at how they work - very cool.

And back on topic - good on the cop for doing what was necessary - pity we have so many wankers in the media (esp. TV3)

**Toaster** · 28th September 2007, 00:19

Originally Posted by devnull

pity we have so many wankers in the media (esp. TV3)

overpaid wankers too!!

**sAsLEX** · 28th September 2007, 00:51

Originally Posted by devnull

Glock has an extremely clever safety on it.

So thats another moment the cop has to spend taking that off.

No safety on the pistol I am used to, except the one residing between the ears.

**Grahameeboy** · 28th September 2007, 07:10

Originally Posted by Toaster

How would you know if you were not there confronted as he was?

I know and have said in earlier posts that we need to know full facts....trubs is we may never know them I guess.

**sAsLEX** · 28th September 2007, 07:19

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

I know and have said in earlier posts that we need to know full facts....trubs is we may never know them I guess.

Well the truth has come to light http://stuff.co.nz/4217339a10.html

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 28th September 2007, 07:29

Originally Posted by linuxrunner

mate, i think it was overkill...excuse the pun

was a good shot though

**Finn** · 28th September 2007, 07:32

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

I know and have said in earlier posts that we need to know full facts....trubs is we may never know them I guess.

This isn't a court GB, it's a public forum. This degenerate picked a fight with the police and lost. Quite simple really.

The sun rose this morning, the birds are singing and children are playing. We're doing quite fine without him.

**Grahameeboy** · 28th September 2007, 07:36

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

Well the truth has come to light http://stuff.co.nz/4217339a10.html

Well all I can say it is a shame that a man who was not himself gets shot for using a hammer............

**Grahameeboy** · 28th September 2007, 07:39

Originally Posted by Finn

This isn't a court GB, it's a public forum. This degenerate picked a fight with the police and lost. Quite simple really.

The sun rose this morning, the birds are singing and children are playing. We're doing quite fine without him.

We were doing fine with him as well.

I don't think it is that simple but that's me.