Police shoot and kill another person

**Goblin** · 30th September 2007, 09:44

Originally Posted by Manxman

.. (did anyone see the photo of them in the paper...nuff said). Credibility issues here, I think.

Let me get this straight....does this mean if a witness is big and tattooed and tough looking, they are not a credible witness? If so, that cuts out a shitload of police officers as witnesses.

**Manxman** · 30th September 2007, 10:18

Originally Posted by Goblin

Let me get this straight....does this mean if a witness is big and tattooed and tough looking, they are not a credible witness? If so, that cuts out a shitload of police officers as witnesses.

Valid point...guilty of prejudging

...just been on jury service, where one police officer repeatedly said "I were at...", instead of "I was at..."

Rest of my point remains however...

**Goblin** · 30th September 2007, 10:28

Originally Posted by Manxman

Valid point...guilty of prejudging

...just been on jury service, where one police officer repeatedly said "I were at...", instead of "I was at..."

Rest of my point remains however...

Yes I get your point! Valid point it is too.

Funny, when I was at school, looong time ago, there was this particular P.I. guy that wasn't exactly very intelligent but he did play in the first fifteen...infact he was so good at rugby he stayed in the fifth form for three years and 6th form for 2 years so he could play rugby. The school loved him! He left school and joined the force.

**devnull** · 30th September 2007, 10:47

The so-called "eye witness" had his story published in the Herald. Creative, to say the least...

On a lighter note - Why Cops Hate You - http://www.lawenforcer.net/whycops/whycops.htm

**pritch** · 30th September 2007, 11:14

Originally Posted by Patrick

You seen the results of a hammer? I have, mum and 3 kids killed by the dad at Morningside.

There was also Ken Piggott(?) killed by hammer wielding 14 year old girl in Waitara just a few years ago.

It is now thought that Roman gladiators injured beyond hope of recovery were "euthanased" with a hammer blow.

Many normally benign commonplace objects can do a turn as a weapon. How'd you like to be attacked by someone wielding a chisel? Not for me thanks.

Lately we've had several instances of people using cars as weapons with lethal intent.

Just because it isn't a gun or a knife doesn't mean it isn't potentially deadly.

**Patrick** · 30th September 2007, 12:37

Originally Posted by Coldrider

Yes Patrick you are right, in the back of my mind what happened is logical, but this is Rant or Rave and in our perfect world we would like to live in somehow things could have had a different outcome.
An experienced (not using the word trained), police officer would have known that a confrontation of this type was a possibility.
This incident should be a wake up call for leisure party pill users.
No doubt the many 'investigations' that will follow will give us the answers.

Which is why I am replying and ranting and raving... Of course it was a possibility, he arrived after being called... What did you expect him to do then? Surely not to just sit there and do nothing while he did whatever he did, possibly carjacked someones car and smacked them with a hammer for it? Interesting... really really strange, but interesting....

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

I understand in that situation, just not sure why the Police do not have training to deal with this kinda attack.

We do... he did....

Originally Posted by devnull

Pity TV3 hasn't been hauled up before whatever licencing authority controls broadcasting... talk about wanker central. They don't give a rats ass about accurate reporting, so long as they can boost ratings

Whatever makes a story... "Never let the facts get in the way of a great story..."

Originally Posted by Swoop

Interesting that they were simply stating what had been put to them from eye witness accounts.

The sooner that the tvnz gubbinment mouthpiece is privatised, and ceases to be a drain on the taxpayer, the better.
Get rid of continuation street and shortarse street as well.

Intersting how TV3 only found the disgruntled anti Police witnesses out of all those that were present and only print or play out that side of the possibly disgruntled version only..... bugger the rest and what they saw...

Originally Posted by RT527

you guys are great at saying it shouldnt have happened...well guess what it friggan did and I say he`s there to protect life and property, so let him do his friggan job......if the fella wasnt going loose cannon in the first place then there would have been no prob ....But he did and he payed for not stopping.

so dont tell me an 18 oz hammer doesnt to much damaged , my workmate is still hurting from his attack both mentally and physically.

And if im reading this right, there were people in a car that he had already tried to gain access too, so what if the cop had decided to wait, and the offender drags the person from his car and whacks him, and possible killed him, just to get away in the car...would that be ok in your eyes, cause thats what some of you seem to want to happen....

Then it would be shit why didnt the cop use his gun..then that poor innocent bystander would still be alive.

If im proved wrong and this was an unjust shooting I will eat humble pie.
But im picking that this cops carrer is over even if he is innocent of unjustified manslaughter...Go the cops you have my support.

To be fair, the majority are supporting the copper here. A hammer is deadly alright, I've seen the results up close at Morningside and just howe far ones brains will squirt when hit by a hammer.

Too right, to protect life and property, especially his own, don't ya all think???????

His career will be fine. I like sauce on humble pie.... and donuts....

Originally Posted by Coldrider

My point is that knowing the possible danger involved, why did the officer get so close to the hammerman, that was the defining moment so to speak.

He didn't by the look of it... Police arrive after being called, no doubt with red and blues going. Cop gets out of the car, as we do when we get to what we have been called to... The dead guy was next to the cop car... it looks to me like the dead guy advanced on to the cop, not the other way around...

Originally Posted by Goblin

Let me get this straight....does this mean if a witness is big and tattooed and tough looking, they are not a credible witness? If so, that cuts out a shitload of police officers as witnesses.

Possibly more to do with the tattoo type... prison tat verses professional tat....

**Manxman** · 30th September 2007, 13:02

Originally Posted by RT527

Ok This really is starting to Piss me off...One of my workmates was attaked with a hammer....dragged from his truck and is very lucky to be alive, all done with a hammer....so youd rather stand there and with riot gear on huh...well guess what if he got a well aimed hit in the face down the cop goes...and if he goes down with armor on , hes in trouble...that shit weighs some.
you guys are great at saying it shouldnt have happened...well guess what it friggan did and I say he`s there to protect life and property, so let him do his friggan job......if the fella wasnt going loose cannon in the first place then there would have been no prob ....But he did and he payed for not stopping.

so dont tell me an 18 oz hammer doesnt to much damaged , my workmate is still hurting from his attack both mentally and physically.

And if im reading this right, there were people in a car that he had already tried to gain access too, so what if the cop had decided to wait, and the offender drags the person from his car and whacks him, and possible killed him, just to get away in the car...would that be ok in your eyes, cause thats what some of you seem to want to happen....

Then it would be shit why didnt the cop use his gun..then that poor innocent bystander would still be alive.

If im proved wrong and this was an unjust shooting I will eat humble pie.
But im picking that this cops carrer is over even if he is innocent of unjustified manslaughter...Go the cops you have my support.

Don't worry mate, you're N-O-T wrong. Too many bl**dy do-gooders round the world these days. I totally share you're frustration at sh*t like this. Problem is, it will take two more years of media speculation (rather than fact) to sort this out, and yeah the guy's career is probably all but over because of someone who sounds like they were looking at someone completely different to the bloke that everyone else saw with hammer raised...

Cop was right, bloke was wrong. E-n-d-o-f-s-t-o-r-y.

Yes, sympathy for those he has left behind, who cannot understand why he did it, and are very confused about this...BUT does the cop know this when he's about to have his head caved in?????? Errr, NO.

FFS lighten up people. Get off the cops backs and go find something more productive with your (overly) spare time. This is real life, serious consequence stuff we're talking, not some f**ken varsity thesis.

Bring back:
1) common sense,
2) taking reponsibility for your own actions, and
3) a damn sight more kicking of the tail that currently wags the dog...!
...in that order.

\Carotid artery settling down again; rant over\

**Finn** · 30th September 2007, 13:12

I think the Police should introduce quotas for disharging their firearms. It'll have the place cleaned up in no time. That and public executions.

Scumsuckers must die.

P.S. I don't think Labour can count on Manxmans vote. Good work mate.

**Coldrider** · 30th September 2007, 13:41

Originally Posted by Finn

I think the Police should introduce quotas for disharging their firearms. It'll have the place cleaned up in no time. That and public executions.

Scumsuckers must die.

P.S. I don't think Labour can count on Manxmans vote. Good work mate.

Yes, I'm convinced now.
We should start with alcohol abusers, then move on to drug users, anyone who has guns, knives & hammers in their homes, then anyone projecting a missile (vehicle faster than a hammer) at more than 20KPH over the speed limit (they are prepared to kill) which is threatening innocent motorists ahead (this often leads to tears), instant lead poisoning behind the ear at the roadside (we are not into double standards at KBer are we?)
Then who is next?

**Manxman** · 30th September 2007, 13:45

Originally Posted by Coldrider

Yes, I'm convinced now.
We should start with alcohol abusers, then move on to drug users, anyone who has guns, knives & hammers in their homes, then anyone projecting a missile (vehicle faster than a hammer) at more than 20KPH over the speed limit (they are prepared to kill) which is threatening innocent motorists ahead (this often leads to tears), instant lead poisoning behind the ear at the roadside (we are not into double standards at KBer are we?)
Then who is next?

..where shall I start...

**Coldrider** · 30th September 2007, 13:56

Originally Posted by Manxman

..where shall I start...

Won't be just Chinese consumption driving up the price of lead then?....

**Manxman** · 30th September 2007, 14:11

Originally Posted by Coldrider

Won't be just Chinese consumption driving up the price of lead then?....

I've come to my senses, calmed down and given myself a slap around the head.

How could I possibly have thought that someone with a hammer running at an armed cop, deserved nothing more than a nice cup of tea and a chat?

Silly me.

Long live Labour!

\returns to dark corner\

Oh BTW, ppl who do those other things mentioned (drink excessively, drug excessively, speed excessively, etc) don't deserve a bullet....just the consequence of their actions...ie the personal responsibility bit.