Police shoot and kill another person

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Idle charges from his Socialist cave, hell-bent on destroying the hapless Capitalists and rednecks...

[YOUTUBE][/YOUTUBE]

[I Smell Bacon]

you offer no argument, just an ad hominem attack on a reference supplied; you refuse to discuss his statements

it seems the fantasies are yours

Meurant isn't worth discussing, his opinions are meaningless, he has no credibility and neither do you.

[idleidolidyll]

Meurant isn't worth discussing, his opinions are meaningless, he has no credibility and neither do you.

blanket dismissal merely indicates that his arguments (which mirror those of most of your opposition) are far too effective for you to counter...........so you post another fallacy and think it's logical debate.

Meurants opinions are far more relevant and meaningful than most i've seen here from the one eyed defenders of police group think. Should we dismiss all their posts with a wave of our fallacy'd hands too?

[idleidolidyll]

Idle charges from his Socialist cave, hell-bent on destroying the hapless Capitalists and rednecks...

[YOUTUBE][/YOUTUBE]

that's quite amusing but you have it back arseward old chap, the video you offer is more indicative of the unsophisticated and ill informed hearsay offered by my detractors. A video of my tactics would resemble something like this:

http://www.bofunk.com/video/1255/smart_weapon.html


..............a smart weapon.

[idb]

Vituperate

[Patrick]

blanket dismissal merely indicates that his arguments (which mirror those of most of your opposition) are far too effective for you to counter...........so you post another fallacy and think it's logical debate.

Meurants opinions are far more relevant and meaningful than most i've seen here from the one eyed defenders of police group think. Should we dismiss all their posts with a wave of our fallacy'd hands too?

Yep, take the word from someone who was a Policeman 20 years ago... times haven't changed in your world, it seems...... Funny that, I've seen plenty of change since he left... but hey, that must be a fallacy.

[I Smell Bacon]

............post #699.........

You're a broken record and about as interesting as floor polish. I'm not in the least bit interested in discussing anything with you, you come across as a total bone head, I wouldn't want to speak to you if I met you in person and I have no desire whatsoever in conversing with you via a keyboard.

[imdying]

I have no desire whatsoever in conversing with you via a keyboard.

I suspect you may have to forgive him for thinking that was the point of posting here

[idb]

You're a broken record and about as interesting as floor polish. I'm not in the least bit interested in discussing anything with you, you come across as a total bone head, I wouldn't want to speak to you if I met you in person and I have no desire whatsoever in conversing with you via a keyboard.

Ummm...then stop typing buddy.
I can imagine you sitting there with your fingers in your ears and eyes screwed shut shouting "I CAN'T HEAR YOU...LALALALALALALALA!!!!!"

[Goblin]

Ummm...then stop typing buddy.
I can imagine you sitting there with your fingers in your ears and eyes screwed shut shouting "I CAN'T HEAR YOU...LALALALALALALALA!!!!!"

Run outa rep....iou ok.

[idleidolidyll]

You're a broken record and about as interesting as floor polish. I'm not in the least bit interested in discussing anything with you, you come across as a total bone head, I wouldn't want to speak to you if I met you in person and I have no desire whatsoever in conversing with you via a keyboard.

yes, you bore me too but the hilarious thing is that despite what you say, here you are doing just that

however, unlike you as above, i'd welcome some infirmed logical debate

[I Smell Bacon]

i'd welcome some infirmed logical debate

It doesn't appear that informed logical debate exists here, (you're hardly objective).

[idleidolidyll]

It doesn't appear that informed logical debate exists here, (you're hardly objective).

actually i just posted a couple of completely objective posts and rather than using propaganda to define my opinions, i used specific authoritative definitions. see message 724 here; http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...=58346&page=49

of course nobody is completely objective, that's the nature of mankind. We all have our preconceived notions but we CAN be RELATIVELY objective if we are able to recognise propaganda and sift it out of our belief systems for discussion.

[idleidolidyll]

It doesn't appear that informed logical debate exists here, (you're hardly objective).

my desire to discuss the specific issues raised by Ross Meurant seems to show that you are wrong. In the face of that repeated request, my detractors have merely posted ad hominem attacks on mew and Meurant.

So who's not being objective again?

[I Smell Bacon]

This is all I have to say on Meurant's comments on the so called terror raids.

The only reason that a disaffected ex police officer and failed politician like Meurant gets any airtime on this subject is because of the information gap left by the rules of sub-judice. Rules that the police must adhere to as the holders of the known facts of the case.

Despite releasing the basic facts to the media there is a nationwide craving for more. The police won't jeopardise their investigation by releasing any more than they have to and this leaves a huge information gap that the media become desperate to plug.

As a result of this gap the media follow whatever related stories they can in the mean time in the hope that they will get something juicy, the "storming" of the Kohanga Reo school bus for instance.

By now the misinformation presented in the media has developed into a generalised outrage amongst many of the public; who still only know the basic facts released by the police but are also tainted by the fallacious portrayals in the media.

Hence the need for a desperate media to engage people like Meurant for comment, to feed the fire and keep people listening, watching and reading.

If the police were able to come out straight away and present all their evidence people like Meurant would never be given any air time. However as a result Mr Iti and co would not receive a fair trial. This is the conundrum faced by the police investigators and media liaison personnel, how much do you release to satisfy the media and the public without jeopardising your 18 month long investigation?

Even though the police would love to hush the detractors they won't as the case is more important, so they just keep taking the kicks to the nuts in the knowledge that all will be revealed in time and the majority of right thinking kiwis will be 100% behind their actions. They are also fully aware that the most vocal critics like Meurant will never publish a retraction or an apology, they don't have to and they'll just vanish into obscurity again until the next drama unfolds.

None of the detractors are privileged to the evidence or the facts of the case, they have no basis upon which to base their criticism other than their own pre-conceived notions.

Once the facts are known to all then I would be willing to listen to anyone's opinions or criticisms but until then it is all speculation by those that have an axe to grind or wish to be heard for their own gain.