Robert Taylor and idleidolidyll's political debating thread

[idleidolidyll]

Nice one. North Korea beckons for you LenIIIn, there are plenty of brainwashed Communistas who would lap up your Cyclopsian tirades against the free market, personal responsibility etc etc.
You could quickly become Kim Jong-Iil's favourite advisor! (King of Scotland springs to mind...)

when did i rail against personal responsibilty>

answer: I didn't and it's just another lazy invention and a complete fallacy.

BTW: I'm a socialist not a communist. Most fascists and extreme right wing conservatives are too dumb to understand the difference: do you?

[davereid]

Unlike Labour who seem content to let NZ business after NZ business close their doors and drift off-shore as they are at present....?

indeed that is a concern.
National however would accelerate that and sell us out to whoever greases their palms. I vote for neither

Of course Labour and National are the same - "Vista and Vista Home" if you like, neither very good.

But sell us out ?

Nope. Economies don't work like that. Economies are like gravity - they don't respect you, or your politics or the other fellas either.

The same set of rules applies to all players, and no forward passes go un-noticed.

Why are these companies going overseas ?
Because they can make the product cheaper overseas. Labour costs are lower. Compliance costs, Kyoto all lower. So if you make low value items, with a high labour content you will lose.

Solutions ? You can protect your economy with taxes. But it is a forward pass and you will be punished. Those you trade with will repay you tit-for-tat. And you will pay $50 for a $10 shirt.

Or you can "pick winners". Get a government department to gamble your future on their pick of "good" industries.

Another idea is to form an army and go and take other peoples resources. (Thats the favorite decision of capitalist economies, but has also been a great choice for the left as well.)

What will really work ?

Stop dreaming that you are brighter, harder working or more deserving than the other fellow.

But, you might have more natural resources. You might have a milder climate, plentiful rainfall and the remnants of a good infrastructure.

You might speak english as a first language, and appreciate that prosperity comes from investment.

Investment in education, tools, equipment, and people.

[Pussy]

Well, IDLELEFTYLADOLAYOLAYOLAY, as a taxpayer, I have unwillingly been subsidising socialism since 1975. You are entitled to your opinions, no matter how misinformed they are, and I have no problem with that. I wonder if you really grasp where the money comes from for your idealistic socialist solutions, though?
I have no problem with giving a hand up, but I do abhore hand outs, which socialist systems encourage. Wake up and smell the roses....there are those that have made several generations careers out of it

[terbang]

And as a motorcyclist I can also vouch for idleidolidyll's ability to school as well.

[98tls]

Importantly though, even as I post my political opinions here, I am a fan of Robert Taylors work as well as those others in our sport who provide us with their wonderful skills and who support up and coming racers in our sport.

Robert is an artist and a credit to motorcycling but that doesn't mean I have to subscribe to his political viewpoint. He's also a grown up (unlike some here) and it's clear he also understands that I too am welcome to my political opinions and should we meet, there would be no animosity I'm sure.

I too have done my part in the sport too both as a competitor and a national organiser/official.

Those who know me laugh with me at the nonsense posted in anger at me. It's water off a duck's back as far as I'm concerned, just a chance to air opinions and laugh at some of the amazing naivety shown on occasion.

I finally gave in to the pms saying "you gotta see this shit" so came back for a look,i thought at least it would be interesting but all i get is some twat puffing his chest out,i guess as its the internet the freedom of speech rule applies but your so full of yourself i feel sad for you,am betting your so fucked you actually spout this shit in person.I sincerely hope none of your neighbours have dogs that bark all night.

[BIGBOSSMAN]

when did i rail against personal responsibilty>

answer: I didn't and it's just another lazy invention and a complete fallacy.

BTW: I'm a socialist not a communist. Most fascists and extreme right wing conservatives are too dumb to understand the difference: do you?

Well I'm not an extreme right wing conservative, and definitely not a fascist either. One thing I don't do as well, is to constantly yell my one-eyed political dogma from the pulpit of a biker website.
I consider all individuals have a right to their political viewpoint, and agree to disagree as a matter of principle.
So that's exactly what I'm doing!

[scumdog]

You guys are a joke.

Well this joke is quite happily accepting the money your taxes (and tickets should you get any) provide, than y'all.

[98tls]

when did i rail against personal responsibilty>

answer: I didn't and it's just another lazy invention and a complete fallacy.

BTW: I'm a socialist not a communist. Most fascists and extreme right wing conservatives are too dumb to understand the difference: do you?

The thing that impresses me is that you tell it as it is on the interweb...knob

[idleidolidyll]

I finally gave in to the pms saying "you gotta see this shit" so came back for a look,i thought at least it would be interesting but all i get is some twat puffing his chest out,i guess as its the internet the freedom of speech rule applies but your so full of yourself i feel sad for you,am betting your so fucked you actually spout this shit in person.I sincerely hope none of your neighbours have dogs that bark all night.

another no brainer.

no coherent argument to make so merely a personal attack

hang on, i feel another massive yawn coming on.............

[idleidolidyll]

Well I'm not an extreme right wing conservative, and definitely not a fascist either. One thing I don't do as well, is to constantly yell my one-eyed political dogma from the pulpit of a biker website.
I consider all individuals have a right to their political viewpoint, and agree to disagree as a matter of principle.
So that's exactly what I'm doing!

that's funny, hilarious actually

yep, you're welcome to disagree and that you do at least try to offer a counter argument gives you a modicum of credit but the comment about "one eyed dogma" actually made me laugh out loud.

Everyone believes their personal political viewpoint is right and having the balls to offer it on a forum in a small community like NZ where you are easily identified gets what? The usual Kiwi nonsense attacking the tall poppy.

That's a lot like Amerika where people did the same thing and ended up with a political leader as dumb or dumber than themselves.

If nobody speaks nothing changes. Tuff for you if you keep your mouth shut.

[idleidolidyll]

One thing I don't do as well, is to constantly yell my one-eyed political dogma from the pulpit of a biker website.

That's so lame in so many ways: here's another

This is a website for people who ride bikes but it also has a wide range of forums and threads dedicated to things that have nothing to do with bikes. People like to offer their views and opinions to people they know or feel some kind of connection to.
This particular thread is clearly labeled as a political one. If you're so adamant that political discourse is not worthy here, why the fuck are you bothering to read it? You have a choice, if you're not interested, don't bother. If you are interested but don't know how to make a coherent argument to support your views; too fucking bad and don't whine to me about it, I just don't give a damn.

As for your fascist suggestion by inference that politics should not be discussed on a bike website; why don't you tell all the other 'off topic' posters waffling about cars, girls, guns and other stuff to fuck off too?

You won't? Too bad and here's another laugh on your behalf: rotflmfao!

[idleidolidyll]

Well this joke is quite happily accepting the money your taxes (and tickets should you get any) provide, than y'all.

and that makes you a parasite; well done

[idleidolidyll]

Maybe then they should pull out of Iraq, seal the place off and let them all kill each other.

Ahh, another piece of right wing propaganda exploded by facts.
Gordon Brown, PM of the UK, has just announced that Britain will halve the number of troops in Iraq by next year to 2500.

The reason? After they pulled out of Basra, violence dropped by nearly 90%.

So, as has been constantly repeated; the violence is a consequence of the illegal invasion of Iraq not a reason to continue that invasion and occupation.

It was always about control of oil and suckers who thought otherwise have been inventing new excuses every time the last one was destroyed: what will be the next one?

[idleidolidyll]

The thing that impresses me is that you tell it as it is on the interweb...knob

the thing that impresses me, is how quickly rednecks and fascists get back up again after having their arses booted from here to breakfast and after their pitiful arguments are destroyed so utterly and easily.

I guess having small brains helps a lot.

that's be a whole bucket of knobs then?

[Robert Taylor]

Ahh, another piece of right wing propaganda exploded by facts.
Gordon Brown, PM of the UK, has just announced that Britain will halve the number of troops in Iraq by next year to 2500.

The reason? After they pulled out of Basra, violence dropped by nearly 90%.

So, as has been constantly repeated; the violence is a consequence of the illegal invasion of Iraq not a reason to continue that invasion and occupation.

It was always about control of oil and suckers who thought otherwise have been inventing new excuses every time the last one was destroyed: what will be the next one?

I ( politely ) disagree with part of this. This is driven more so by a desire to distance himself from Tony Blairs legacy and to try and win re-election for his Government.