Robert Taylor and idleidolidyll's political debating thread

[idleidolidyll]

BTW: It would generally be agreed that having six kids was a choice - as was the realisation that a Sgts income was sufficient to raise said kids would it not??

sure it was a choice (well if you exclude what the kaffalik church kept telling ma)

so what? we still have to compare apples with apples not pears

[Ocean1]

you might be right, i can't lay my hands on dtat immediately and i'm off to work shortly

however, i DO recall businesses complaining about work for dole schemes.

even if they didn't make money, so what? the idea is to keep people working and not sitting on their arses drawing the dole isn't it? it'd probably STILL be cheaper.

one 'ondustry' that springs to mind for that kind of work is local government; councils.

surely a lot of their work could be done with work for dole labour.........

Yeah, right. Last summer I helped the local council gardening contractor "find" $20K worth of equipment "misplaced" such employees, (the ones his contract said he had to hire). I eventually found his brush cutters and a chainsaw in the river but he never did find the new mower.

He's no longer in that line of work...

[idleidolidyll]

bye dahlinks, gotta go get my bike and head off to work

will ya miss me?

rotflmfao! (rolling on the floor laughing my fucking arse off)

[idleidolidyll]

what the hell?

i had a bunch of notifications come up that i'd been quoted but all turned out to be 'invalid' by the time i opened them

oh well, back tonight

[idleidolidyll]

Yeah, right. Last summer I helped the local council gardening contractor "find" $20K worth of equipment "misplaced" such employees, (the ones his contract said he had to hire). I eventually found his brush cutters and a chainsaw in the river but he never did find the new mower.

He's no longer in that line of work...

and?

instead of making excuses, what would YOU suggest?

i've already said i support work for dole schemes

[terbang]

what's the point of it all if you have bugger all free time?

That grabs my attention being the lazy overpaid pilot bastard that I am.

I worked for Ansett NZ for 10 years and it was a great job with a high quality Airline. They wanted to cut costs and locked us out... The rest is history and I'm still locked out. Took some contracts overseas for a few years learnt a lot, had some fun and earned some reasonable coin. Returning back to NZ I joined the newly formed Qantas (New Zealand). Much the same job that I had with Ansett, driving a 100 seat jet around on the main trunk plus a bit of Tasman hopping. Cool life as it was..! Hell No it isn't, how surprised I was at how things had changed. It costs so damn much to live here and the income for a jet driver (outside of Air nz) is now considerably lower. We do 16 hour days now, much of it at the back of the clock and only get 8 random days off a month. Believe me, my colleagues and I spend a lot of time in a tired stupor trying to catch up on sleep. Yup Pilots do get paid well, even when we aren't on the pigs back. We paid a fortune to get there and we keep em (you) alive in an ever increasingly complex world. It is still spiraling and the catch 22 here with the airlines is safety and as we descend into third world costs, we also descend into third world safety standards (without admitting it). Look at the tired old 737's flying our routes at the moment. The airline industry in NZ in the past 8 years or so has been driven down by a devolved CAA, overseas corporations (QF) taking advantage of cheaper and easier labour laws and creative accountancy. But hey you guys now have cheaper tickets, great for the consumer eh..?
Anyway back to time off..I am now leaving the NZ workforce and taking a job (commuting overseas) that offers exponentially more time off for the same return. Now I can spend more time with my family, a basic unit of a good society.

[Ocean1]

and?

instead of making excuses, what would YOU suggest?

i've already said i support work for dole schemes

I was the one who suggested he get out of that line of work.

A redundant suggestion however, his largess had already bankruped him, a fate many small businessmen can empathise with.

And my suggestion to you remains the same, don't hire people incapable of supporting the cost of their wages, or you won't be in a position to offer such charity for long.

[idleidolidyll]

That grabs my attention being the lazy overpaid pilot bastard that I am.

I worked for Ansett NZ for 10 years and it was a great job with a high quality Airline. They wanted to cut costs and locked us out... The rest is history and I'm still locked out. Took some contracts overseas for a few years learnt a lot, had some fun and earned some reasonable coin. Returning back to NZ I joined the newly formed Qantas (New Zealand). Much the same job that I had with Ansett, driving a 100 seat jet around on the main trunk plus a bit of Tasman hopping. Cool life as it was..! Hell No it isn't, how surprised I was at how things had changed. It costs so damn much to live here and the income for a jet driver (outside of Air nz) is now considerably lower. We do 16 hour days now, much of it at the back of the clock and only get 8 random days off a month. Believe me, my colleagues and I spend a lot of time in a tired stupor trying to catch up on sleep. Yup Pilots do get paid well, even when we aren't on the pigs back. We paid a fortune to get there and we keep em (you) alive in an ever increasingly complex world. It is still spiraling and the catch 22 here with the airlines is safety and as we descend into third world costs, we also descend into third world safety standards (without admitting it). Look at the tired old 737's flying our routes at the moment. The airline industry in NZ in the past 8 years or so has been driven down by a devolved CAA, overseas corporations (QF) taking advantage of cheaper and easier labour laws and creative accountancy. But hey you guys now have cheaper tickets, great for the consumer eh..?

cheers for that honest post terbang:

bugger all quality free time and less and less buying power

life isn't counted by the number of toys you own

[idleidolidyll]

I was the one who suggested he get out of that line of work.

A redundant suggestion however, his largess had already bankruped him, a fate many small businessmen can empathise with.

And my suggestion to you remains the same, don't hire people incapable of supporting the cost of their wages, or you won't be in a position to offer such charity for long.

a non answer

you decry the dole etc but when asked for an option, you offer none

i reiterate; i support work for dole schemes because capitalism relies on unemployed excesses but people still have to support themselves and their families

[Ocean1]

a non answer

you decry the dole etc but when asked for an option, you offer none

i reiterate; i support work for dole schemes because capitalism relies on unemployed excesses but people still have to support themselves and their families

Dude there are a bunch of problems which lack an answer you might find acceptable, a function of your aprehension of cause and effect with regard to economic reality rather than any failure of that reality to comply with your wishes. Of your more unrealistic requests to halt the tide, enshrining the rights of social failures to aspire to the heights of a modern sophisticated lifestyle by the judicial application of cash is possibly the least worthy of my attention.

[idleidolidyll]

Dude there are a bunch of problems which lack an answer you might find acceptable, a function of your aprehension of cause and effect with regard to economic reality rather than any failure of that reality to comply with your wishes. Of your more unrealistic requests to halt the tide, enshrining the rights of social failures to aspire to the heights of a modern sophisticated lifestyle by the judicial application of cash is possibly the least worthy of my attention.

so there ya go STILL bashing my posts but STILL no suggestions yourself

i'll be away for the next 5 hours or so, i look forward to seeing your SOLUTIONS when I get back

[Indiana_Jones]

So let me get this right, if the pussy arse girls at the UN said it's ok to go into Iraq, then there wouldn't be Iraqies blowing each other up at the moment.

Also, wtf is an illgeal war?

You just declare war and walk in, or the other way round, if you're sneaky lol

-Indy

[Ocean1]

so there ya go STILL bashing my posts but STILL no suggestions yourself

i'll be away for the next 5 hours or so, i look forward to seeing your SOLUTIONS when I get back

The SOLUTION is to NOT support non-viable behaviour.

The SOLUTION is to NOT teach our kids there's such a thing as "easy money"

The SOLUTION is to NOT provide alternatives to genuine employment.

Again: Give generously to those who are genuinely disabled, and call it by it's propper name: charity.

And yet again: Charity given to those who are not so disabled will almost always cripple them. So don't do it.

[Ocean1]

Also, wtf is an illgeal war?

You just declare war and walk in, or the other way round, if you're sneaky lol

-Indy

Google "jus in bello" and "jus ad bellum".

[Indiana_Jones]

Google "jus in bello" and "jus ad bellum".

Those don't look like very clear cut rules to me

-Indy