Robert Taylor and idleidolidyll's political debating thread

[davereid]

Nope - once again you confuse tyanny with capitalisim.

I have pointed it out over and over, but you no hear.

Anyone can be a tyrant.

It has NO relationship to your political or religious opinion. A tyrant is simply someone who thinks they have the right to use force to get things done their way.

To be reminded - a world of willing buyer, willing seller needs no force. You pay for the services you want, you don't buy those you don't want, and you reach agreement on the terms, or the deal falls through.

The use of force to control resources, income, and people is different. Capitalists want to do it. And thats not good, it just reflects human nature. But its not required for capitalisim to work.

On the other hand Socialists HAVE to do it. Because socialisim is not about freedom Its about force. Its about compulsion. It's about doing as you're told, by beings who are clearly better than you.

[idleidolidyll]

Nope - once again you confuse tyanny with capitalisim.

nope, it's you who has decided to ignore the actual meaning of capitalist and capitalism and BTW, i've pointed out many times that fascism can be left OR right.

please don't expect me to debate until you actually get a grip on reality

go read Karl Marx, voted the greatest thinker of the 20th century and then go read Adam Smith; you really need some education on the subject

[Robert Taylor]

by definition, the power hungry are authoritarians and in extremis are fascists.

That describes your favourite model to a tee: Amerikkka

Helen has a looonnngggg way to go before she becomes as corrupt as most yank politicians

BTW: did you miss the bit where i said clearly that i don't support Labour? ( Worse )

slap! wake up Robert

''Never in the field of human debate have I heard so much self righteous socialist claptrap uttered to so many by so few''

[idleidolidyll]

''Never in the field of human debate have I heard so much self righteous socialist claptrap uttered to so many by so few''

opinions are like arseholes robert, you have yours and i have mine

personally i think much the same of the junk you have on offer

[98tls]

opinions are like arseholes robert, you have yours and i have mine

personally i think much the same of the junk you have on offer

cmon this was actually getting interesting,you can do better than that.

[idleidolidyll]

cmon this was actually getting interesting,you can do better than that.

as usual i reply in kind

debate with intelligence and integrity and i'll try and return the favour

post cheap shots and i'll biff a few across the bow as well

[scumdog]

opinions are like arseholes robert, you have yours and i have mine

personally i think much the same of the junk you have on offer

Ya know Robert, you've reached the same status as I in old tripleidles eyes when he makes that comment - dunno if we can say the same back but at times I sure as hell feel like it.

[Mr Merde]

Careful there. You often find that the more traveled people are, the more left they tend to be.

In the case of III,

1 year in Manila
2 years in UK
2 years in Namibia
2-3 years in China
Numerous visits overseas
Lots more places I cant remember but I am sure III would list them if asked

Merde

[idleidolidyll]

Ya know Robert, you've reached the same status as I in old tripleidles eyes when he makes that comment - dunno if we can say the same back but at times I sure as hell feel like it.

sure you can, that's the whole point: opinions ARE like arseholes and as I said; we ALL have em

[idleidolidyll]

In the case of III,

1 year in Manila
2 years in UK
2 years in Namibia
2-3 years in China
Numerous visits overseas
Lots more places I cant remember but I am sure III would list them if asked

Merde

4 years in Britain 81-84 and 1999
you missed Singapore, Canada, Malaysia

did i forget any? probably

of course from those places I've visited a shit load more..............

[Mr Merde]

What absolute rubbish !

....

The Kings of old liked their wealth - but they were not capitalists.

They took land using force and made the inhabitants of that land their subjects.

...!

Look at the USA

1898 invaded Cuba on a trumped up reason,

1898, invaded and annexed Hawaii

1905 invaded Phillipines

1981 invaded Iraq

2003 invaded Iraq again


All for ecconomic reasons.

the lasted being "King Oil"


Merde

[scumdog]

And NZ had invaded how many???
Mwahahahah, like we could invade ANYTHING!!!

[Robert Taylor]

Ya know Robert, you've reached the same status as I in old tripleidles eyes when he makes that comment - dunno if we can say the same back but at times I sure as hell feel like it.

Shame his oratory is no match for the wit and eloquence of the great Englishmans speech that I paraphrased.

Anyway, this is intermittent light releif in amongst my dirty filthy capitalist endeavours that I must further engage with. More tax for next years bribery fund....

[idleidolidyll]

Look at the USA

1898 invaded Cuba on a trumped up reason,

1898, invaded and annexed Hawaii

1905 invaded Phillipines

1981 invaded Iraq

2003 invaded Iraq again


All for ecconomic reasons.

the lasted being "King Oil"


Merde

and that's just the tip of the iceberg

the USA was found guilty of terrorism when it mined Managua Harbour.

Of course, since it has a veto in the UN Security Council, nothing was done about it

The USA also terrorised dozens of other countries and/or helped ruthless dictators terrorise them

fucked if i'll ever accept them as a paragon of virtue or humanitarianism

[idleidolidyll]

Shame his oratory is no match for the wit and eloquence of the great Englishmans speech that I paraphrased.

Anyway, this is intermittent light releif in amongst my dirty filthy capitalist endeavours that I must further engage with. More tax for next years bribery fund....

a shame your paraphrasing was no match for the wit and intelligence of the person you plagiarised

never mind, i accept your admission of defeat by way of fallacy