Robert Taylor and idleidolidyll's political debating thread

[scumdog]

and that's just the tip of the iceberg

the USA was found guilty of terrorism when it mined Managua Harbour.

Of course, since it has a veto in the UN Security Council, nothing was done about it

The USA also terrorised dozens of other countries and/or helped ruthless dictators terrorise them

fucked if i'll ever accept them as a paragon of virtue or humanitarianism

No argument here but ferk, they make some great bikes and cars!!!!

[idleidolidyll]

goodnight sweethearts

please, post something intelligent and logical for me to dissect, the regurgitated propaganda is ridiculous

back tomorrow perhaps or when i next have time

[idleidolidyll]

No argument here but ferk, they make some great bikes and cars!!!!

more opinions eh?

maybe that new Buell and a few of cars i could count on the fingers of one hand...............i prefer cars that go around corners; bikes too

oh well, each to their own

[scumdog]

more opinions eh?

maybe that new Buell and a few of cars i could count on the fingers of one hand...............i prefer cars that go around corners; bikes too

oh well, each to their own

I've got to the age where I appreciate style over function to a certain degree.
A lot of the time I would rather have a wallowing whale with style to a bland set of wheels capable of pulling 1G while getting around a corner - it's the journey vs the destination thing I suppose.

Of course there's the odd combination of the two like an AC Cobra.....should I ever be able to afford a car worth more than $15,000 - $20,000...

[Mr Merde]

...for the wit and eloquence of the great Englishmans speech that I paraphrased.

......

Great Englishman, mmmm

1/2 American from his mother
captured and escaped in the Boer War.
Considered not very bright at school.
A member of the British "upper class"
Independantly wealthy, arrogant, alcholic and a "womaniser".

Author of a little excurssion in WW1 involving the invasion of the Dardenelles (Turkey and Golipolli)

Argued during WW2 for a similar invasion.

With the same countries troops.Yes a great orator but a great Englishman, personally I find this debatable.

[idleidolidyll]

I've got to the age where I appreciate style over function to a certain degree.
A lot of the time I would rather have a wallowing whale with style to a bland set of wheels capable of pulling 1G while getting around a corner - it's the journey vs the destination thing I suppose.

Of course there's the odd combination of the two like an AC Cobra.....should I ever be able to afford a car worth more than $15,000 - $20,000...

yes, i understand that and having suffered a broken back, i've been told i should have a similar attitude

i don't though and you're welcome to your cruisers etc; i appreciate the reason for em and have ridden a few hogs myself (phone in hand smoking a cigar of course)

yes, the AC Cobra is one on that list along with the GT40 and a few others

Europe makes the best cars though

[scumdog]

yes, the AC Cobra is one on that list along with the GT40 and a few others

Europe makes the best cars though

Bloody opinions, everybody got one, just like they have.......etc

[98tls]

more opinions eh?

maybe that new Buell and a few of cars i could count on the fingers of one hand...............i prefer cars that go around corners; bikes too

oh well, each to their own

Makes me recount a rather frightening incident that took place going to the last march hare....a few KBers called in home and i rode up there with them,being familar with the roads i suggested turning off over the waitaki bridge and going through waimate gorge which we did,theres a few long straights to get to the gorge and pretty uninhabited so away i went only to have the rather bright light of a Victory (made in America) in my mirror which just would not go away,not even at 260kms which was me tapped out,i thought once i got to the gorge it would be which it was but only to a pointbest bit of riding on a cruiser i have ever witnessed

[Winston001]

To be reminded - a world of willing buyer, willing seller needs no force. You pay for the services you want, you don't buy those you don't want, and you reach agreement on the terms, or the deal falls through.

I agree. However social democracy is a necessary intrusion into the mix because over time, astute sellers corner the market and the bargain becomes unbalanced.

For example, about 100 years ago a small number of early settler families held much of the land in NZ. Those large estates were broken up by the government so that new farmers had a chance.

On the other hand Socialists HAVE to do it. Because socialisim is not about freedom Its about force. Its about compulsion. It's about doing as you're told, by beings who are clearly better than you.

Yes and that is how I see it too. State intervention, compulsion, to take from one to give to another. Directed by a light hand, we can all live with this, but too much and there is no incentive to be productive.

[Robert Taylor]

Great Englishman, mmmm

1/2 American from his mother
captured and escaped in the Boer War.
Considered not very bright at school.
A member of the British "upper class"
Independantly wealthy, arrogant, alcholic and a "womaniser".

Author of a little excurssion in WW1 involving the invasion of the Dardenelles (Turkey and Golipolli)

Argued during WW2 for a similar invasion.

With the same countries troops.Yes a great orator but a great Englishman, personally I find this debatable.

I didnt say Winston was perfect but he was a far better bet than keeping Chamberlain or the appeaser Lord Halifax.

[Robert Taylor]

goodnight sweethearts

please, post something intelligent and logical for me to dissect, the regurgitated propaganda is ridiculous

back tomorrow perhaps or when i next have time

Sleep well , just like Helen you know best for all of us.......even though we wont beat to the drum you are beating so loudly.

Given that your ilk took a beating in the council elections and will do so in the general one next year it might not be so prudent to beat so hard.

[Robert Taylor]

a shame your paraphrasing was no match for the wit and intelligence of the person you plagiarised

never mind, i accept your admission of defeat by way of fallacy

I concede no defeat and that man had a more interesting life, had acts of brilliance and acts of disaster on a scale that you or I could never attain. He would definitely be included in my fantasy dinner table of people from history. Your mate Karl is not even on the radar screen.

[Robert Taylor]

I agree. However social democracy is a necessary intrusion into the mix because over time, astute sellers corner the market and the bargain becomes unbalanced.

For example, about 100 years ago a small number of early settler families held much of the land in NZ. Those large estates were broken up by the government so that new farmers had a chance.



Yes and that is how I see it too. State intervention, compulsion, to take from one to give to another. Directed by a light hand, we can all live with this, but too much and there is no incentive to be productive.

That makes perfect sense.

[Mr Merde]

I concede no defeat and that man had a more interesting life, had acts of brilliance and acts of disaster on a scale that you or I could never attain. He would definitely be included in my fantasy dinner table of people from history. Your mate Karl is not even on the radar screen.

The man was a polititian. He himself calls the years when he wasnt in the limelight as "the wilderness years" he crossed the house in an attempt to further his ambitions. He was a great speaker but with the integrity of a cheap whore.

It has been shown that he and his government had prior knowledge of Pearl Harbour and kept quiet so as to involve the US.

He condoned the fire bombing of Dresden. An event that killed more people than the atomic bomb and on a place that had no military value at all. If the Germans had of sucessfully invaded the Uk he would have been treated as a war criminal.

When WW2 ended so did his reign. He never again attained the popularity or control he ENJOYED during the war.

Have him at your dinner table by all means but probably be prepared for him to bluster and dominate.


Merde

[BIGBOSSMAN]

A nice pic of two old socialists whining from the balcony, but is anyone really listening to them?