Is resignation betrayal?

[avgas]

I'm actually going to break the trend here a little and ask you some very simple questions:
a) Do you not like your work at all?
b) Can your current position not lead where you would like to go? Or have you simply not asked?
c) Have you questioned the problems in your current job?
Answer yes to all them then i say jump, otherwise im sorry but you have added no value to your company.
You are office furniture and expendible.
You feel bad for a reason, rather than ignore it, question it.
Its not always "US" and "THEM", if your cant work with your workmates, who can you work with.

[MSTRS:Me]

Understand where you are coming from BUT the only loyalty you 'owe' is to yourself.

[LilSel]

Do whats best for you...

I feel a bit hypocritical in saying that though... I was offered a position (+5k) & turned it down because of my loyalties to my current job... (that & the fact that I was 1/3rd of the department at that time, have 5 incl me now)... oh that & I really like my current job...

Had a run in yesterday with the boss... (she later apologised to me tho!?!)...
Now I am considering moving on from here (been over 3 years) however if I want to stay in this area, it will be another company who is in direct competition with mine. If I was to go to a competitor, with my knowledge/experience etc... my current workplace could lose the title of 'the best in the industry', as I am confident that I could waltz into the competitors area & sort things out... im not sure if I could do that tho... the whole... bring down what you helped make so great... (maybe bring down isnt the right word... but overtake in terms of 'the best'...)

Its tough aye Joni... I can understand your prediciment...

Whatever decision you make... think it through... & dont act on impulse...

I felt like walking out yesterday... but was level headed enough not to (even tho my boss made me cry!!?...) had I have walked out... wouldnt have been a good look for future employment etc.

Am going to look around... I know im worth more than im currently paid... but its not all about the $$ either... if it was... when more people came onboard, I would've taken the other job that paid extra 5k to current salary quick smart

[pzkpfw]

Good on you for feelings of loyalty - but if you want to move, do it.

My wife works for a small company, and has similar issues - the boss being the guy who owns and runs the place; ends up having his "personality" affect everyone.

You don't need that.

Just yesterday an employment agent (!) told my wife "priority one is you and your family, second is your job."

Cheers,

[Paul in NZ]

Seriously - does your boss, if push came to shove, demonstrate the same loyalty to you? Ie - what would they sacrifice to keep you? Its usually an unequal amount.

Its your life, you decide and judging from your post you KNOW what you want. Resign - take the new job..

[Joni]

Hmm to complicate things the new company are not being very flexible... I suggested a start date, the basically said if you cant start by 5 November then they cant do it... their way or the highway basically.

Huh!

I told them my manager is not here today?? that I would like to read over the contract etc etc... they said ok, they will give me until Monday morning to resign.

Damn all I dont want is to jump from one hot pan to another... I have 2 more roles that could be great for me as well! All pointing my in my new career direction... so I am not forced to take the first thing that comes to me.

If they start this hard and inflexible, how will it end?

[mstriumph]

....................................... mulling of a career change, I eventually started looking for another position and have now been offered something that will open the doors for me in what I want to do in the future.

isn't THIS what is the heart of the situation?

- in the words of the Rabbi "all the rest is commentary"

you will do what suits your own agenda - irrespective of who says what either at work or on this forum

and there's nothing wrong with that.

[Mr Merde]

You only have yourself to look after. In the long run do whats best for you and screw the rest.

I bet if they had to make cuts for financial reasons and you were ijn the frame they would have no hesitation in cutting you.

Loyalty is a two way street. It must be earned by both sides.

Go for the new job. If you conscience is bothering you then go and buy yourself a bar of chocolate or some other treat.

My 2 cents worth.

[Scouse]

Hmm to complicate things the new company are not being very flexible... I suggested a start date, the basically said if you cant start by 5 November then they cant do it... their way or the highway basically.

Huh!

I told them my manager is not here today?? that I would like to read over the contract etc etc... they said ok, they will give me until Monday morning to resign.

Damn all I dont want is to jump from one hot pan to another... I have 2 more roles that could be great for me as well! All pointing my in my new career direction... so I am not forced to take the first thing that comes to me.

If they start this hard and inflexible, how will it end?

Dam and I thought that you were in HR if so you know the drill you are or should be entitled to at least one week to read and get advice on a contract.

[Joni]

Dam and I thought that you were in HR if so you know the drill you are or should be entitled to at least one week to read and get advice on a contract.

Exactly.... they are forcing my hand, and I am not sure if I am comfortable with that.

And no, not making excuses... just a bit nervous.

[avgas]

My last job i quit because i was sick of it, and hung on to a job offer for 2 weeks (1 before i quit, 1 after).
Sounds like you need to do the same, it makes things interesting and more competitive on their part.
At the end of the day your changing jobs to make your life better, if it all seems to hard then that tells your whether you are making wrong move.

[Joni]

Yeah, from a purely emotional point of view (and yes might not be rational), I feel like I am being bullied into making a decision...

Better the bully you know??

Ah well, I will see what the contract says, as no they have not sent it to me yet, but want a decision by Monday morning... however one more warning bell and I will rather wait and see what the other 2 options bring.

[SVboy]

Sounds like your current workplace sees you being bullied and manipulated at times-never condusive to a happy employee-and not an example of employer loyalty either. However, hardball from the new place cant be making this an easy decision. Sounds like you get job offers easily. Would a possible strategy be to wait until you are sure and even sit down with the managerial team and discuss your concerns....[the hardest choice!]

[avgas]

Oh an Joni, if your new job doesnt mean about you getting a new bike.........You have made the wrong move
Stew

[Joni]

Would a possible strategy be to wait until you are sure and even sit down with the managerial team and discuss your concerns....[the hardest choice!]

You are 100% right - I have however discussed my concerns in an open and honest forum more than once... 2-3 days its great, then it pops back to the same Modus Operadi!

I would like to be able to think about it and be sure and leave with my heart feeling happy and confident that I have mde the right decision, but I cant, I have not seen the contract yet, and I have until Monday to make this call. So now feel like I am being pushed tight against the wall.