Geez there is a lot of anti police

[bondagebunny]

stuff on this site.

But when your bike gets stolen "who you gunna call"

I have been reading some of the stuff here about how fast you all can go and how you get pissed off with the police catching you ( cant be that fast)

What about accepting that you know the speed limits and make a personal choice to disregard them. Take ownership of your choice when you get caught.

Stop being a pack of pussies - it aint anyones fault but your own.

The collective "THEY" can't get revenue - but that you give it to them by your own actions.

So if you get a ticket - dont snivel - take your punishment and say thank you master.

[riffer]

I don't have a beef with Police as such ... its HP and their uncompromising attitudes I have a problem with. And the government's pathetic attempts at road safety.

When the govt turns the screws on speeding and lets HP give us 3km/h grace on speed like Victoria you will end up criminalising a large percentage of the population ...

and you won't make a damn bit of difference to the road toll.

The Police are just the mindless agents of stupid policy - and that's what I don't like.

[spudchucka]

I don't have a beef with Police as such ... its HP and their uncompromising attitudes I have a problem with. And the government's pathetic attempts at road safety.

When the govt turns the screws on speeding and lets HP give us 3km/h grace on speed like Victoria you will end up criminalising a large percentage of the population ...

and you won't make a damn bit of difference to the road toll.

The Police are just the mindless agents of stupid policy - and that's what I don't like.

While I agree that a 3k/ph tolerance is ridiculas, I don't believe that will be introduced in NZ.

Yes, the HP are tough on speed enforcement. They are also tough on the use of restraints, cycle helmets & drink driving. The reason being that these are injury promoting behaviours. Everyone will come back and say "bollocks it's jsut for revenue gathering", but really how else can the driving public be penalised??

Surely no one would suggest that we shouldn't have speed limits and its OK to drive around drunk. So if we accept that these things require controlling, why don't we accept the financial penalties involved? Is there a better, more appropriate form of punishment??

Getting a speeding ticket is not a criminal offence because it does not carry a term of imprisonment.

I totally dissagree about the police being, "the mindless agents of stupid policy". Some of the policies are stupid but most cops believe in what they do because they see first hand the devastation that results from traffic crashes.

There seems to be a culture in this country that it is OK to speed and it is everyones god given right to get away with it. When you apply for a licence you accept the conditions of its use and know the consequences of being caught. All this whinging about speed enforcment is pathetic.

[Kwaka-Kid]

i agree with bondage bunny in a number of ways rock on dude!
and the HP are great, hey they gave me a forced invite to donate to the government and it felt bad, but it worked at least a bit because i definatly have changed the way i ride

[wkid_one]

I agree that speeding is a conscious decision........

HOWEVER....there situational danger varies from place to place. 100kph can have very different risks and dangers associated based on WHERE the speed takes place.

NZ has always had a one size fits all mentality when it comes to governing traffic - and whilst I agree that having a million different speeding restrictions is impossible to manage effectively.......we need more variation in our speed limit determinations.

Lowering a speed limit and/or tolerances does nothing to the road toll - all it does is increase the compliance costs of policing the limits/motorists. In fact - as Lou has said previously - many other countries manage to work with much higher limits than ours safely.

Also - the limits on speed as directly as a result of the piss poor investment NZ (read Transit, therefore Government) has made in to NZ roading.

The police are only doing a job - however trying to run a social service entity at a profit is ridiculous. It appears that the NZ Government is trying to justify the police force through revenue collected.

I am sorry but I have absolutely no respect for the NZ Police Force as they have been reduced to mobile 'parking wardens' - out looking for any and every excuse to dish tickets out. And at the expense of what - JUST ABOUT EVERY MAJOR CRIME STATISTIC HAS RISEN IN NZ because they focus on traffic infringements - not crime - and that crime they do focus on is usually on a reactive basis anyway.

[Holy Roller]

stuff on this site.


What about accepting that you know the speed limits and make a personal choice to disregard them. Take ownership of your choice when you get caught.

Stop being a pack of pussies - it aint anyones fault but your own.

Look upon it as user pays....
if you want to go fast you may have to pay for the privilege.
This is one privilege that causes my family to go hungry once in a while. Or go to the track days and do it till ya heart bursts.

[spudchucka]

The police are only doing a job - however trying to run a social service entity at a profit is ridiculous. It appears that the NZ Government is trying to justify the police force through revenue collected.

I am sorry but I have absolutely no respect for the NZ Police Force as they have been reduced to mobile 'parking wardens' - out looking for any and every excuse to dish tickets out. And at the expense of what - JUST ABOUT EVERY MAJOR CRIME STATISTIC HAS RISEN IN NZ because they focus on traffic infringements - not crime - and that crime they do focus on is usually on a reactive basis anyway.

It would be intersting to see a comparison between revenue taken via traffic infringement notices and speed camera notices and the annual police budget allocated. Perhaps if the Govt reinvested some of that money into police resources there would be an increase in crime resolution.

The explosion in the use of P might have a little to do with the crime stats increasing as well. The police and the police assn have been warning the Govt for years that they need more resources to deal with the increasing problem, until recently this has been to no avail.

Proactive policing strategies require investment in resources, without the required resources the reactive model is what you are left with. In most cases crimes are reported by the public, its happened already and therefore is reactive from the outset.

On the other hand road policing is of course proactive and can be because thats where the resources are allocated - blame the Govt & Police HQ. The ordinary bobbies, which still make up the majority of the police, are out and about every day catching crims and making a positive difference to peoples lives.

[MD]

I guess its nice to see there are a couple of remaining NZers that still respect the HP. Gosh, I wonder why the other 95% of us have turned against them after years of respecting the Police. Key point here, the Police fighting real crime are great, its the mindless cash registers at the roadside we disrespect.

Personally I accept the fine and always have but the demerit points are too harsh and unreasonable. Its punishing us twice for the one offence and potentially losing your licence creates a host of flow on punishments such as loss of income, personal distress and it tempts good people to then risk becoming criminals driving without a licence.
The Cops nowadays are totally inflexible and clearly only driven by achieving fine quotas, which begs the question whats in it for them - staff appraisal ratings? salary review/bonus time? Whatever, I don't see road safety having anything to do with the curent road enforcement behaviour of hidden cameras, cops behinds bushes etc.. its a 100% punitive measures. Wait to you meet someone who has lost their licence doing 112 kph on a deserted safe road.

[Lou Girardin]

If your bike gets nicked, bunny, you might as well not call the Police.
Until recently wasn't your occupation/hobby illegal? Did/would you happily accept punishment for providing pleasure/pain to willing others?
Now it's not. Wasn't that the correction of an unjust law?
Who says we have to accept unjust laws and/or the application of them?
Lou

[Two Smoker]

I still respect the HP guys and the police, I dont like some of the decisions they make, but if that occured to me i would take it up in court.

Last Christmas when the HP gave me a nice present and i in return had to give the Govenment a nice present, i didnt complain, (i was actually thinking shit im lucky he didnt get the speed i was doin 15 seconds ago )

As i said before if you are willing to take the risk, yuo are willing to take the consequences......

[Jackrat]

There are also a lot of people on this site that are pro police but we are not as vocal as the bleaters.
I don't even have an issue with the evil HP,as I don't habitualy brake the law.
It's only really the cowboys who feel hard done by when they get caught that have a bitch.The rest of us just don't think there is anything to say.

[bondagebunny]

is surprised - I feel so normal

by the way Lou - what I do is not illegal - I aint a hooker.

[Lou Girardin]

Sorry bunny, I stand corrected. But the point is still valid, Si?
And Jackrat, not everyone that is against the current driver persecution is a hoon, many of us object on principle.
Lou

[Motu]

I have no problem with the HP or police,all good guys doing a tough job - if they pick on me I've broken the law,simple as that.Every one I've had dealings with has been polite and understanding,and a few weeks ago I was let off doing 80 in a 50 zone - I can't really complain can I?

[Dave]

If you call the police they claim they are too busy to find your stolen bike, And yet if they put the same resources into finding stolen property as they did into catching speedsters, they would have more luck.Only thing is, THEY MAKE NO MONEY FROM FINDING STOLEN PROPERTY