Feeling a little over-taxed this morning?

[Grahameeboy]

Annoying Poms.

Just as well I got here earlier then eh?

[Paul in NZ]

Money can't buy you love Paul. They even made a song about it.

Thats not what that lady (well I don't think she was exactly a lady) in Manchester St ChCh told me.... She was quite definate about it....

[PirateJafa]

Cool, but:

• Public transport is of no use to me.

Are you kidding? It'd get more cars off the road, leaving more room for motorbikes!

[u4ea]

fuck the tax cut...how about a rebate every bloody year?? what the government don't spend we get back???

Didnt Cullen sat the surplus was for 20 years down the line to save the older generation.I understand we had a baby shortage that meant there would have been less taxpayers eventually.I rekon thats why they upped the family support packages and paid maternity leave..its happening..a lot more folk are having babies..Personally I feel the tax rate is far too high and our health and education is failing us.The wages are shit.Wish I was a maori,I might get ahead quiker in this country.

[Finn]

Money also can't buy happiness... but it does buy you a much better class of unhappy.


Seriously though, I believe the Swedish model is still regarded as very efficient. From memory, personal tax is about 65%, but all medical and dental visits are free, including surgery costs to a limited amount. Public transport is free and frequent in most city areas and people are well informed of the services their taxes go on.
Doesn't sound bad to me, I don't mind paying so much as long as I can see where it is going and see some value in it.

Hey Mackas. Personal tax in Sweden is one of the highest in the developed world but it isn't that high. Yes, while medical and dental visits are free the health system is failing there just like NZ. My GF had to walk around on crutches for 12 months waiting for a knee operation. Then they said they couldn't do it for all the swelling. Chucked her on a plane, came to NZ a did it privately in a week. Public transport is very good but not free.

Sweden is not the country is used to be. Cronic Socialism has ruined it just like NZ. There is hope though, they just elected a young male right winger.

[Grahameeboy]

Sweden is not the country is used to be. Cronic Socialism has ruined it just like NZ. There is hope though, they just elected a young male right winger.

How is NZ ruined..................??

[Finn]

How is NZ ruined..................??

Didn't you hear? We didn't make the semi finals.

[Grahameeboy]

Didn't you hear? We didn't make the semi finals.

We did.............must be why I see the bright side of life eh

[Goblin]

There is hope though, they just elected a young male right winger.

Hope you're emigrating?

[Sanx]

Didnt Cullen sat the surplus was for 20 years down the line to save the older generation.I understand we had a baby shortage that meant there would have been less taxpayers eventually.I rekon thats why they upped the family support packages and paid maternity leave..its happening..a lot more folk are having babies..Personally I feel the tax rate is far too high and our health and education is failing us.The wages are shit.Wish I was a maori,I might get ahead quiker in this country.

Yeah, but look at the people who are having lots of kids; the unemployed and the unempoyable. Don't matter if they can't afford it, 'cos Comrade Kerke will pay out yet more.

The Chinese system of requiring a licence to have a child has a lot going for it.

[Delerium]

Thats not what that lady (well I don't think she was exactly a lady) in Manchester St ChCh told me.... She was quite definate about it....

that wasnt for sale.. she was only renting it.

[Swoop]

that wasnt for sale.. she was only renting it.

It would be like waving your arm in a warm room...

[Usarka]

the argument against national is that they have the interest of the middle and upper classes and poor people will suffer under their leadership.

a welfare state is funded by the people that earn money, more to the point by the people who earn good money - the business owners and professionals. if you keep sucking them dry guess what - they'll sooner or later get fucked off and pack up shop and leave. And lots of people in this boat are considering this right now.

So when they've all gone what will be left, unemployment, bangalor phd's, a few farms and bugger all growth (unless the government keeps growing the number of civil servants).

The people who earn the money in a welfare state are the people who keep it going. labour is biting the hand that feeds this country.

fuckers.

[devnull]

http://www.nzcpr.com/midweek3.htm

Good article... sums things up nicely.

[jafar]

Personal income tax is legalised theft, push the GST to 20% & abolish income tax altogether.
As this is what was proposed by Roger Douglas when the then labour gibberment introduced GST now would seem a good time to do it