Dial 111 AND GET A TAXI ????

[spudchucka]

Especially as not all the facts have been gathered.

Thats the point I've been making.

If you feel the people on here are f$@kW#ts why reply? Why care? You dont value their opinion so why offer yours?

There are very few that I'd put into that category, however there are a few stand out examples of true f**kwits.

The police need to take responsibility for their actions or lack of actions, that is all.

This is true of all people, not just police.

With regards to the comms center, I refer to Martys orginal statement as to the type of person operating in that roll. If they are operated by a higher calibre of person, excellent, I still stand by my previous statement, funding and training is needed.

I'm afraid you would have to have some experience in the level of training that is actually delivered before that opinion could possibly carry any weight.

Police Officers operate in a difficult enviroment, I do no envy the job. But feel it could be done better, with more funding and better training.

There is always room for improvement. Training is an ongoing issue and more funding is always beneficial. How much more are you prepared to pay in tax to fund the level of training that you think is appropriate?

[2_SL0]

Thats the point I've been making.


There are very few that I'd put into that category, however there are a few stand out examples of true f**kwits.


This is true of all people, not just police.


I'm afraid you would have to have some experience in the level of training that is actually delivered before that opinion could possibly carry any weight.


There is always room for improvement. Training is an ongoing issue and more funding is always beneficial. How much more are you prepared to pay in tax to fund the level of training that you think is appropriate?

I completly agree, people should take responsibilty for there actions, but when
they request help to that level, it should be given. I keep saying the same thing over and over and over and over again.
I feel we agree, a mistake was made? A costly mistake? More training and funding would never go amiss? Though how you place judgement on my knowledge of the inner workings of the comm center I do find puzzling. But then maybe that is how the whole problem has arisen. Someone like yourself (I mean no disrespect) made a rash (wrong) decision with regards to a certain 111 call. Treating it with less importance than was required, and sent a taxi instead of a squad car. Thank you for shedding more light on the matter.
Regarding the tax system and the amount I pay, maybe you could enlighten me on how much more I should pay? feel I would be happy o pay more if you I could see a benefit to paying more. I would like to see a better tax system. One that benefits both the wealthy and the poor. I would like to see a system that uses the tax funds more appropriately.
:spudwave:

[Lou Girardin]

Would the forum cops and their fellow travellers give us a break, the horse is dead, stop flogging it. Your bosses have admitted the stuff up, why don't you? Instead of all this 'what if' bullshit.
The facts are clear, if the cops had sent a car when first called they would have been in Piha at 2130 and she was alive then. The only unknown issue is whether they would have found her. It seems likely that they would have, seeing that she was walking on the main road. Resources, etc are all red herrings. They had the resources, shame they didn't have the judgement to use them.
There is a huge difference between a drunk wanting a ride because he lost his licence and a woman in fear of sexual assault.
And Mr Chucker, why don't you read a reply, take the salient points and formulate a reply as if you're debating with someone. These continual quotes of every paragraph make it seem that you're giving evidence.
You're not in court now Officer Chucker.

[Hitcher]

I would like to see a better tax system. One that benefits both the wealthy and the poor. I would like to see a system that uses the tax funds more appropriately.

Simple. Vote for a party that advocates a flat tax rate and less government in people's lives.

[rodgerd]

There is always room for improvement. Training is an ongoing issue and more funding is always beneficial. How much more are you prepared to pay in tax to fund the level of training that you think is appropriate?

The amount of training the police get is, from my understanding, pretty pathetic compare to, say, nurses. I certainly wouldn't mind a bit of the tax surplus being spent on putting the boys in blue through better training at the start of their career, as well as a good course in ongoing refreshers (think of all the cases that wouldn't go south due to proceedural mistakes...)

[2_SL0]

Simple. Vote for a party that advocates a flat tax rate and less government in people's lives.

Agreed, agreed, agreed.

[marty]

all this reminds me of a situation that we had at work not too long ago. i'll call her *mary*. my section (and others) had daily dealings with a girl who was bi-polar, and tried to kill herself, usually by cutting her wrists, on a weekly basis. she would get ambo'd up to a&e, stitched up, and left to walk home. often the hos[pital would call us to pick her up, but she would run off before we got there. mental health wouldn't take her as she was 'supposed' to be on meds, and if she didn't take them she couldn't be forced to.
after about 6 months of these games, ambos and police started to ignore her, or at least decline to go to her address, or to the phone box where she was calling 111 saying she was going to kill herself. this was because on our arrival, often after breaking away from another job, she wouldn't be there - we would find her hiding in the bushes nearby, usually bleeding from where she had picked the previous day's stitches out. she would always spit at us and fight with us, saying that her death would be on our conscience, and demanding us to take her to a&e. we'd take her there - she'd run off, trailling blood after her. she would always call 111, and tie up cops and call takers for hours with her games. as the police were the bottom of the food chain, we always ended up dealing with her, as she would become publicly disordlerly if she was ignored. we couldn't keep her in the cells, as she wasn't really committing criminal offences, and being suicidal is a significant precurser for not being held in police custody, unless remanded by a judge. then one day we arrived at her address, to find her sitting in a chair in the lounge. she knew all the guys and girls by name. we walked into the room, she had a kitchen knife stabbed in her stomach - about 5 cms in. she said 'watch this', and pushed in in all the way to the hilt. holy fuck it was impressive to say the least. naturally we rushed her up to a&e, they stiched her up, they rung us to take her home as when she woke up she was going off, but by the time we got there she had run off. we found her later that night 1/2 dead in bushes, having picked her stiches out, and trying to pull her intestines out. back to a&e..........you get the picture. mental health still not able to take her, due to the constraints on them by the mental health act. she then found that carbon monoxide poisoning was fun to try. now CO is dangerous. it attaches to haemoglobin, and prevents O2 from being absorbed. it's effects are cumulative, and it is a silent killer. over a period of about a month she would call 111 from inside her car, telling us that she was going to gas herself. we would go out, pull her out of the car (which was running on occasion), take her up to the hospital. mental health wouldn't touch her, as she was 'only' suicidal, and with CO poisoning she needed decompressing in the navy chamber at devonport before they would assess her anyway. then one night her friend called us, and said that had been talking to *mary* and that *mary* told her that she was going to gas herself. her friend didn't know where she was. with a grain of salt we looked for *mary* however we couldn't find her. unsurprisingly she turned up at her flat about an hour later. we talked to her - she told us to fuck off. during the night though, in her sleep, she died. the pm showed from cumulative CO poisoning.

guess who got the blame for *mary's* death - their house firebombed, driveway/cars tagged, death threats?

[Coyote]

all this reminds me of a situation that we had at work not too long ago. i'll call her *mary*. my section (and others) had daily dealings with a girl who was bi-polar, and tried to kill herself, usually by cutting her wrists, on a weekly basis. she would get ambo'd up to a&e, stitched up, and left to walk home. often the hos[pital would call us to pick her up, but she would run off before we got there. mental health wouldn't take her as she was 'supposed' to be on meds, and if she didn't take them she couldn't be forced to.
after about 6 months of these games, ambos and police started to ignore her, or at least decline to go to her address, or to the phone box where she was calling 111 saying she was going to kill herself. this was because on our arrival, often after breaking away from another job, she wouldn't be there - we would find her hiding in the bushes nearby, usually bleeding from where she had picked the previous day's stitches out. she would always spit at us and fight with us, saying that her death would be on our conscience, and demanding us to take her to a&e. we'd take her there - she'd run off, trailling blood after her. she would always call 111, and tie up cops and call takers for hours with her games. as the police were the bottom of the food chain, we always ended up dealing with her, as she would become publicly disordlerly if she was ignored. we couldn't keep her in the cells, as she wasn't really committing criminal offences, and being suicidal is a significant precurser for not being held in police custody, unless remanded by a judge. then one day we arrived at her address, to find her sitting in a chair in the lounge. she knew all the guys and girls by name. we walked into the room, she had a kitchen knife stabbed in her stomach - about 5 cms in. she said 'watch this', and pushed in in all the way to the hilt. holy fuck it was impressive to say the least. naturally we rushed her up to a&e, they stiched her up, they rung us to take her home as when she woke up she was going off, but by the time we got there she had run off. we found her later that night 1/2 dead in bushes, having picked her stiches out, and trying to pull her intestines out. back to a&e..........you get the picture. mental health still not able to take her, due to the constraints on them by the mental health act. she then found that carbon monoxide poisoning was fun to try. now CO is dangerous. it attaches to haemoglobin, and prevents O2 from being absorbed. it's effects are cumulative, and it is a silent killer. over a period of about a month she would call 111 from inside her car, telling us that she was going to gas herself. we would go out, pull her out of the car (which was running on occasion), take her up to the hospital. mental health wouldn't touch her, as she was 'only' suicidal, and with CO poisoning she needed decompressing in the navy chamber at devonport before they would assess her anyway. then one night her friend called us, and said that had been talking to *mary* and that *mary* told her that she was going to gas herself. her friend didn't know where she was. with a grain of salt we looked for *mary* however we couldn't find her. unsurprisingly she turned up at her flat about an hour later. we talked to her - she told us to fuck off. during the night though, in her sleep, she died. the pm showed from cumulative CO poisoning.

guess who got the blame for *mary's* death - their house firebombed, driveway/cars tagged, death threats?

...Whoa...

[badlieutenant]

We no longer have a mental health system in NZ worth calling it such. My mate at work helped a cop recently pull a "mary" back over the rail of the greenlane bridge so she couldnt land in front of the train. She does it all the time. The driver looked freaked out apparently.

[Teflon]

all this reminds me of a situation that we had at work not too long ago. i'll call her *mary*. my section (and others) had daily dealings with a girl who was bi-polar, and tried to kill herself, usually by cutting her wrists, on a weekly basis. she would get ambo'd up to a&e, stitched up, and left to walk home. often the hos[pital would call us to pick her up, but she would run off before we got there. mental health wouldn't take her as she was 'supposed' to be on meds, and if she didn't take them she couldn't be forced to.
after about 6 months of these games, ambos and police started to ignore her, or at least decline to go to her address, or to the phone box where she was calling 111 saying she was going to kill herself. this was because on our arrival, often after breaking away from another job, she wouldn't be there - we would find her hiding in the bushes nearby, usually bleeding from where she had picked the previous day's stitches out. she would always spit at us and fight with us, saying that her death would be on our conscience, and demanding us to take her to a&e. we'd take her there - she'd run off, trailling blood after her. she would always call 111, and tie up cops and call takers for hours with her games. as the police were the bottom of the food chain, we always ended up dealing with her, as she would become publicly disordlerly if she was ignored. we couldn't keep her in the cells, as she wasn't really committing criminal offences, and being suicidal is a significant precurser for not being held in police custody, unless remanded by a judge. then one day we arrived at her address, to find her sitting in a chair in the lounge. she knew all the guys and girls by name. we walked into the room, she had a kitchen knife stabbed in her stomach - about 5 cms in. she said 'watch this', and pushed in in all the way to the hilt. holy fuck it was impressive to say the least. naturally we rushed her up to a&e, they stiched her up, they rung us to take her home as when she woke up she was going off, but by the time we got there she had run off. we found her later that night 1/2 dead in bushes, having picked her stiches out, and trying to pull her intestines out. back to a&e..........you get the picture. mental health still not able to take her, due to the constraints on them by the mental health act. she then found that carbon monoxide poisoning was fun to try. now CO is dangerous. it attaches to haemoglobin, and prevents O2 from being absorbed. it's effects are cumulative, and it is a silent killer. over a period of about a month she would call 111 from inside her car, telling us that she was going to gas herself. we would go out, pull her out of the car (which was running on occasion), take her up to the hospital. mental health wouldn't touch her, as she was 'only' suicidal, and with CO poisoning she needed decompressing in the navy chamber at devonport before they would assess her anyway. then one night her friend called us, and said that had been talking to *mary* and that *mary* told her that she was going to gas herself. her friend didn't know where she was. with a grain of salt we looked for *mary* however we couldn't find her. unsurprisingly she turned up at her flat about an hour later. we talked to her - she told us to fuck off. during the night though, in her sleep, she died. the pm showed from cumulative CO poisoning.

guess who got the blame for *mary's* death - their house firebombed, driveway/cars tagged, death threats?

All i can say is, glad shes dead. When these retards waste police time, innocent people pay with their lifes.

[Fins]

You know it wouldn't be so bad if the law made mistakes over parking fines and tickets, but as we all know if theres a dollar in it, they will go to the ends of the earth, over come time spans, forget excuses, arrest you as you arrive in the country, publish names in the papers.
But ned help?
Hell its not our fault she just slipped through the cracks, but not our wise cracks!

[scumdog]

hey scumdog nice home page for a law abiding citizen like yourself

Bit of a wild guess that I'm law-abiding, pipeman, - what on my home page is 'nice'?

[scumdog]

You know it wouldn't be so bad if the law made mistakes over parking fines and tickets, but as we all know if theres a dollar in it, they will go to the ends of the earth, over come time spans, forget excuses, arrest you as you arrive in the country, publish names in the papers.
But ned help?
Hell its not our fault she just slipped through the cracks, but not our wise cracks!

Oh but they DO make mistakes with tickets, - they give them to 'innocent' people!!

[2_SL0]

I had to check your site, that is funny dude.

[pipeman]

Bit of a wild guess that I'm law-abiding, pipeman, - what on my home page is 'nice'?

Hmmm just another preverted soul getting thrills from other peoples misfortunes just hope you have a clean batton mate wouldn't want to see you in the head lines.