Institutionalised descrimination within the Police

**Fatjim** · 17th October 2007, 10:25

I'm sure this, I'm sure that.

I'm looking for examples, not opinions.

**scumdog** · 17th October 2007, 10:33

Preconceived??

Just like the KB preconceived idea on how Police think.

A lot on here (and in the public) have a preconceived idea that ALL Police think exactly the same thoughts......"THE POLICE SEEM TO THINK YADDA YADDA YADDA" -but WHICH Police????????? - ALL of them???

**vifferman** · 17th October 2007, 10:39

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

You would be surprised how a powerful enough gust can move a car.
Once dealt with an insurance claim in the Uk when strong winds literally picked up a Fiat Uno and threw it into a lampost.

Very occasionally, this would happen. More commonly, the cause of a vehicle drifting across the road in high winds is the person's response to the gust - jerking on the steering wheel or panicking.
I've driven a Renault 10 and a Punto across the Harbour Bridge in gale-force winds (though not at the same time). It was scary, but not impossible to keep the car in the lane. I also drove a light utility (Mazda B1600) with a huge, lightweight canopy on the back when I was 17, delivering furniture. In high winds, it would blow all over the place, BUT it was still possible to keep the thing under control.

I agree that this looks like discrimination. My son was charged with careless use of an MV, when he crashed the car after jerking the wheel to avoid a hawk that flew up from the side of the road. No-one else was involved, and neither would the cops have been, if the tow-truck hadn't taken 3 hours to arrive.
Careless? No.
Inexperienced? Yes.
Luckily the judge thought so too, and discharged him without conviction. If he'd been elderly instead of under 25, I'm damned sure there would've been no ticket. I'm sure the Polis have some pressure on them to keep the under 25's (particularly males) "under control". It's certainly the message you see in the media.

However, we don't know all the facts in the cases quoted, so we can only assume, which is not sensible.

**MSTRS:Me** · 17th October 2007, 10:43

Relax SD. We know that in all walks of life there are GoodBastards and PlainBastards. But FJ does make a valid point. We are all guilty to a certain extent of generalising and the police are no different.
Case in point, the son of a friend of YTs was being targetted by police in his car. They never left him alone. One day his mother drove his car. That was interesting for her. Yet neither of them were guilty of any wrong doing. The car 'looked like a boi racer-job'...

**Finn** · 17th October 2007, 10:44

Originally Posted by Fatjim

I'm looking for examples, not opinions.

I got a good one... About a year ago I was driving my SUV home after a terrible day in the office. I was sitting at a set of lights and a university student split in front of me on his scooter. The lights went green and unfortunately for him, I was quicker. Gadonk, gadonk and no more interest free loan repayments for him. Now some good samaritan obviously reported this and in no time there were cops and Eagle onto me. The chase was on through the city and I was busting for a pee so there was no way I was stopping. I side swiped several cars, ran through reds narrowly missing several pedestrians and it ended on Khyber Pass road when a cop executed the perfect PIT manoeuvre which resulted in me rolling my SUV.

They threw the book at me. 65k's in a 50 zone. 20 fucken demerit points too. Bastards!

**peasea** · 17th October 2007, 10:44

Originally Posted by scumdog

Preconceived??

Just like the KB preconceived idea on how Police think.

A lot on here (and in the public) have a preconceived idea that ALL Police think exactly the same thoughts......"THE POLICE SEEM TO THINK YADDA YADDA YADDA" -but WHICH Police????????? - ALL of them???

Of course; any conspiracy theorist will tell you that.

**Grahameeboy** · 17th October 2007, 10:48

Originally Posted by vifferman

Very occasionally, this would happen. More commonly, the cause of a vehicle drifting across the road in high winds is the person's response to the gust - jerking on the steering wheel or panicking.just d
I've driven a Renault 10 and a Punto across the Harbour Bridge in gale-force winds (though not at the same time). It was scary, but not impossible to keep the car in the lane. I also drove a light utility (Mazda B1600) with a huge, lightweight canopy on the back when I was 17, delivering furniture. In high winds, it would blow all over the place, BUT it was still possible to keep the thing under control.

I agree that this looks like discrimination. My son was charged with careless use of an MV, when he crashed the car after jerking the wheel to avoid a hawk that flew up from the side of the road. No-one else was involved, and neither would the cops have been, if the tow-truck hadn't taken 3 hours to arrive.
Careless? No.
Inexperienced? Yes.
Luckily the judge thought so too, and discharged him without conviction. If he'd been elderly instead of under 25, I'm damned sure there would've been no ticket. I'm sure the Polis have some pressure on them to keep the under 25's (particularly males) "under control". It's certainly the message you see in the media.

However, we don't know all the facts in the cases quoted, so we can only assume, which is not sensible.

Well I have come across several like this and remember in 1989, when South East England was hit by 100mph+ winds and the M1 was closed due to the numbers of HGV's blown on their sides due to the wind.

Acting in the 'Agony of the Moment' is not just down to driver skill set. A big enough gust of wind would not always allow a driver time to react.

I remember going over the bridge that day they ended up closing. I was blown all over the shop despite riding carefully but it would only have taken an extra strong gust to have knocked me into the bridge or the adjacent lane.

In your Son's case, the Police may have not been convinced by the 'Hawk' explanation which is fair enough. Easy enough excuse. That is what the Judges are there for to ensure that a fair decision is reached.

So possibly not descrimination......but don't want to burst the KB discrimination bubble

**Grahameeboy** · 17th October 2007, 10:51

Originally Posted by Finn

I got a good one... About a year ago I was driving my SUV home after a terrible day in the office. I was sitting at a set of lights and a university student split in front of me on his scooter. The lights went green and unfortunately for him, I was quicker. Gadonk, gadonk and no more interest free loan repayments for him. Now some good samaritan obviously reported this and in no time there were cops and Eagle onto me. The chase was on through the city and I was busting for a pee so there was no way I was stopping. I side swiped several cars, ran through reds narrowly missing several pedestrians and it ended on Khyber Pass road when a cop executed the perfect PIT manoeuvre which resulted in me rolling my SUV.

They threw the book at me. 65k's in a 50 zone. 20 fucken demerit points too. Bastards!

Sounds like these was deserved then.............

**Finn** · 17th October 2007, 10:51

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

Sounds like these was deserved then.............

Yeah, I hate students.

**Grahameeboy** · 17th October 2007, 10:53

Originally Posted by Finn

Yeah, I hate students.

Arh......discrimination again........now I understand......I take back all my previous ill-conceived ideas.......

**MSTRS:Me** · 17th October 2007, 10:54

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

.... the Police may have not been convinced by the 'Hawk' explanation ....

I got 'Hawked' once. After some discussion as to whether I was doing 126kph and speedo calibration, the nice officer let me go with a shake of his finger. Of course, I wasn't a spotty youth at the time....

**Grahameeboy** · 17th October 2007, 10:55

Originally Posted by MSTRS

I got 'Hawked' once. After some discussion as to whether I was doing 126kph and speedo calibration, the nice officer let me go with a shake of his finger. Of course, I wasn't a spotty youth at the time....

and still not......but bling your way.......

**scumdog** · 17th October 2007, 10:58

Originally Posted by Finn

I got a good one... About a year ago I was driving my SUV home after a terrible day in the office. I was sitting at a set of lights and a university student split in front of me on his scooter. The lights went green and unfortunately for him, I was quicker. Gadonk, gadonk and no more interest free loan repayments for him. Now some good samaritan obviously reported this and in no time there were cops and Eagle onto me. The chase was on through the city and I was busting for a pee so there was no way I was stopping. I side swiped several cars, ran through reds narrowly missing several pedestrians and it ended on Khyber Pass road when a cop executed the perfect PIT manoeuvre which resulted in me rolling my SUV.

They threw the book at me. 65k's in a 50 zone. 20 fucken demerit points too. Bastards!

Rubbish - that episode was just another one of your ham-fisted efforts to leave the work car-park.
Take a bus next time.

**motnick** · 17th October 2007, 11:03

I reckon it all comes down to the cop, what type of day he/she's having and what they think they saw/know.

My mates brother is in the SCU, his job is all about provable facts, skid markes, size of dents, etc. And even he sometimes moans about how the attending Constable got it way wrong.

But every cop is different, I've been pulled over for doing 58 with no rego. Got a warning. Next week, same car (registered now), different cop doing 56 on the same road at same time of the day, got a ticket and a full car inspection taking almost 20 mins before being let go. (Maybe the first cop had met his "Quota")

Part of the "discrimination" is probably good sense, the old lady had probably berated herself more than a cop ever could by the time they arrived, and maybe minutes away from a heart attack, whereas a young fella would probably (and thats a stereotype in know, not all are the same) be more concernced about how to justify the situation.