GT250R vs VTR250

[Pancakes]

(From another thread)

my second bike was a gn

it ate a chain that i kept well oiled etc
it ate the swing arm bushes...
every possible light....
gearbox started slipping out of gear....
pegs got worn down on the bottom quite alot

all this happend within three monts of ownership and 10000km.

shit bikes. even my honda has taken a bigger beating and raping

....and you ask why I don't just buy a GN?

[TRAINING WHEELS]

I dont know much about bikes as i am still on my first bike (noob) but i have found that the 06 model is more of a bitch than the 07, have you tryed the 07?. Nedless to say will the 08's be better???? Yes they are out just not sure if they in NZ yet....I ride the 07 and read up about them before buying it was not recomended as a L bike but i have ridden others ZXR & CBR and to be honest i feel safer on the Hoe... Yes its not as quick or have alot of get up and go as the others but i have scared myself first time on the others as was not expecting how quick. i must admit iam happy with my fist bike.

[Pancakes]

I dont know much about bikes as i am still on my first bike (noob) but i have found that the 06 model is more of a bitch than the 07, have you tryed the 07?. Nedless to say will the 08's be better???? Yes they are out just not sure if they in NZ yet....I ride the 07 and read up about them before buying it was not recomended as a L bike but i have ridden others ZXR & CBR and to be honest i feel safer on the Hoe... Yes its not as quick or have alot of get up and go as the others but i have scared myself first time on the others as was not expecting how quick. i must admit iam happy with my fist bike.

Most of the dealers have built a few of the new colour ones up already. PS, TRAINING WHEELS, I think you'll find your speedo reads at least 10% fast so don't hold back!

[TRAINING WHEELS]

Most of the dealers have built a few of the new colour ones up already. PS, TRAINING WHEELS, I think you'll find your speedo reads at least 10% fast so don't hold back!

lol Yea i noticed the spedo lol
I am awear some shops have new ones in but i think they are calling them the "special edition" they may be the 08 ones elswhere though...not to sure myself

[Pancakes]

Eh there's talk of this and that but the ones you'll see with more stickers on are the '08 and they're the same as the '07. Not fuel injected or anything else thats getting spread around.

[MattyP]

Are there any rust concerns with the 250r's painted steel frame? I would hate to see my new bike with bubbles.

On that note, is the VTR's trellis frame painted steel, or alloy?

[Coyote]

Get a Cagiva 125 or an Aprilia RS125 if money isn't a problem. They're badarse. Might even end up keeping them if you do upgrade

[ducatilover]

Have you taken one out? Not sat on it but gotten used to one and put it through some sorners cos I leave lots of 250's behind. Even on the straights when the higher powered bikes have newbies onboard who can't ride a powerband right.

so what? you may just be a better rider. i have riden both the gt250 comet and gt250r. i rode both over the pahiatua track and back via the saddle road, these are serious corners and neither bike impresses me. imho the hyobags are useless unless you are riding through town...although it would be lovely if they were lighter, and water cooled.

[Pancakes]

so what? you may just be a better rider.

Aw shuck! You shouldn't have!!

i have riden both the gt250 comet and gt250r. i rode both over the pahiatua track and back via the saddle road, these are serious corners and neither bike impresses me. imho the hyobags are useless unless you are riding through town...although it would be lovely if they were lighter, and water cooled.

Not as good but not useless...

Lighter would be sweet but that frames gonna stay steel for as long as they want to play price marketing not power marketing. The engine isn't grunty but from having a play I think it's more breathing and tuning, I don't think the engine cooling is a weak point.

[ducatilover]

Aw shuck! You shouldn't have!!



Not as good but not useless...

Lighter would be sweet but that frames gonna stay steel for as long as they want to play price marketing not power marketing. The engine isn't grunty but from having a play I think it's more breathing and tuning, I don't think the engine cooling is a weak point.

to start off with you have a 75* twin....and theres not much point "breathing or flowing it" as more intake charge equals more exhaust [we hope lol] which in turn makes more stress and heat... bugger that on a daily used air/oil cooled thingy. the only thing the hobag has going for it is its new with usd forks....but still an insuperior bike...and to me far less fun.

how many litres do you use per 100km on average?

ive worked the spada out to be 4.23l on average...insanely good considering how thrashed it gets

[Pancakes]

to start off with you have a 75* twin....and theres not much point "breathing or flowing it" as more intake charge equals more exhaust [we hope lol] which in turn makes more stress and heat... bugger that on a daily used air/oil cooled thingy. the only thing the hobag has going for it is its new with usd forks....but still an insuperior bike...and to me far less fun.

how many litres do you use per 100km on average?

ive worked the spada out to be 4.23l on average...insanely good considering how thrashed it gets

I have run it with a straight thru pipe. (edit, it lost a wee bit of bottom end and revved freey to over 12,00RPM. The stock system chokes it at much over 10kRPM) It didn't lean out dangerously but I would re-tune it if I was gonna run a free'er pipe on it daily. Don't want to throw money at tuning a carb tho. If I wanted power I wouldn't have bought it. The USD forks look the bizzo but aren't any better than the stock offering on other 250's I've ridden so are just for looks. Not tunable either.

I get 3.7L/100k's, averaged over a month commuting and 4.3L/100k's on rides where it's pretty much full throttle all the time playing catchup with the big boys.

I also think some of the poor handling stories come from over tightened chains. The manual says 20-30mm play but any less than 30mm and the chain takes some load when there are bumps mid corner. I have mine at 40 and check it/do small adjustments weekly if needed so it's not too long. Once you get to the point of the chain getting loaded it does feel nasty.

Your right about the configuration, who buys a V-Twin looking for the same top HP as the same size IL4? It's torque spread that I like, just with only 250cc's it can spread a bit thin sometimes. I coulda got a fast IL4 but as a cummter it's being ridden in all conditions and not just when I'm in riding mood. It's a way around with a know service history.

I'm not sure why we're having this conversation cas I'm more about the facts, whether they're for or against it. I don't just blidly think my bike is the best just cos I own it.

[ducatilover]

my commute is 69km each way on open road and some lovely twisties...basicly the roads where i test ride most bikes, eg gsx250, hyobags, vtr250, hornet 250 and my favourite thrash toy the zxr250c

[carver]

Carver, you are an illiterate rabid homosexual who writes retarded nonsense with no substance. The fact you lack the skill necessary to pilot a two-wheeled machine with any aptitude is contrasted by your archaic obsession with speed.

your exactly right..but you have NEVER met me in real life

[breakaway]

After reading all these posts about how shit GNs and GT250Rs are it looks like the best thing to do is buy a pre-raped.. err pre-loved CBR or VTR or somethingl ike that.

[limbimtimwim]

On that note, is the VTR's trellis frame painted steel, or alloy?

The VTR is painted steel. Even after a few scrapes the bare metal doesn't corrode like crazy. However, I think the sub frame is made out of lower quality steel, but it lasts quite well too.