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    A mate of mine his friend came off his bike on the southern motorway at 160kph and lived, suffered a broken collar bone, broken hip with pins, broke wrist and ankle. The injuries were from the concrete barrier impact and slid down the road if it had been the cheese cutter barrier he wouldnt be here today. He was not intending to speed the throttle jammed wide opened and wasn't the most experienced rider and didnt think quick enough to hit the kill switch or pull the clutch in. The bike ended up miles further on in a blown up heap.

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    The wire ropes used are course braided steal wire, sliding along them allows it to act as a saw, even if it was fine braided wire it will cut, it has the same effect as the wire used on a cheese board.

    You can buy a saw blade that is similar to the way these wires are strung but on a smaller scale.


    the wire will also help guide you into the post, most are set high enough for part of your body to go under and over them so you will hit the post. even the corrugated barriers have the same problem of guiding the rider into the post.

    On a motorway you are most likely to hit any barrier at a glancing angle rather than straight into on, if a car has hit you side ways into a barrier so that you impact straight on, no one in their right mind is going to expect to survive, design wise both wire and corrugated look at impact from car or lorry and have not taken into account motorcyclist, we ride on two wheels we are not inside a metal cage, when we go down with our bikes, to avoid hitting the bike which may be spinning or tumbling we try to roll away from it, we have a choice roll into other traffic and risk being run over or rolling to where it should be safe to do so, the human body when lying down is not the height and size of a car, and is therefore put at risk when impacting a wire or corrugated barrier, design wise the wire ropes could have the design altered to prevent any contact with a post and also stop you gaining the affect of the sawing action of the wire ropes, while still maintaining the same amount of protection it offers cars (it would not reduce the effect on cars, they are still at the same risk, but motorcyclist could be given more chance of survival by proper design to allow for all road users safety)


    Quote Originally Posted by Lil_Byte

    The question I have is, how is it different hitting a concrete centre barrier at 100kph+ as opposed to the cheese grater post.
    If you are sliding at the post from any angle you are going to hit it at 90 degrees due to it's small diameter, if its a wall you are sliding at, the wall the angle can reduce from 90 degrees but never stay at 90 degrees

    Hitting anything at 90 degrees is the same as head on with it.

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    This is what happens when you hit a pole.

    Edit: Sorry can't see where to delete post so removed link, my bad

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    Like WelshWizard, I too feel that we are organising this ride too soon. I will still be coming to it and keenly support it, BUT:
    Have we had time enough to get more than KB and SB riders behind this? We barley have the route organised and need the get the word out to non-Internet riders. We need more than Bikers behind us as well. The general population is still fixated on the speed and need to be re-educated. Those dealing with the media have been doing well, but it has not been getting across to those I have talked to (non-riders mainly). Even one of the local bike shops have not come along-side yet, and still put the blame on the speed. We need to get more on-board, especially the bikes and other bike club clubs to really get the message across. This is going to take time to get these people rev'ed up the join this ride.
    Anyway this is just the gut feeling I have. I really want this ride to work so that some positive action comes of it (eg: road barriers made safer for all).
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    This is not a one off protest I hope.

    We can have more of these protests. This will be a long fight I am sure.

    Well, I have printed a bunch of the flyers out and stuck on me bike and letter box. Will hand out at the Ulysses run in the morning and try to convince as many people as I can to get the message out.

    First convert today, my neighbour, an old fella, came up and asked me what it was about and we had a chat about the barriers etc.

    Like a lot of people, he hadn't thought about them but once it we has discussed it he said yes indeed they would be lethal and should be changed. (old biker...)

    Gotta give it a go... change will not happen overnight but will take a concerted effort over a long period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiderInBlack View Post
    Like WelshWizard, I too feel that we are organising this ride too soon. I will still be coming to it and keenly support it, BUT:
    Have we had time enough to get more than KB and SB riders behind this? We barley have the route organised and need the get the word out to non-Internet riders. We need more than Bikers behind us as well. The general population is still fixated on the speed and need to be re-educated. Those dealing with the media have been doing well, but it has not been getting across to those I have talked to (non-riders mainly). Even one of the local bike shops have not come along-side yet, and still put the blame on the speed. We need to get more on-board, especially the bikes and other bike club clubs to really get the message across. This is going to take time to get these people rev'ed up the join this ride.
    Anyway this is just the gut feeling I have. I really want this ride to work so that some positive action comes of it (eg: road barriers made safer for all).
    i agree , you need to be aware that transit nz will come back in the media using the speed and type of bike and age , please do not think i am on their side, the people who are going to deal with the media need to have some facts and figure to back up the reason to remove this type of barrier , and as i saw on tv the other nite , you can not just stand and quote that other countries have removed these barriers , you are dealing with new zealand sheep , and if you are going to use the death of the young man that was killed , be awre that transit will use the police reports right or wrong , and this ride could be all for nothing , i support the ride and the removel of the barriers, , just another note as i said in other thread , we need to watch what we place on the forum about what we do and don't do on bikes, transit nz will use every bit of information that they can get and as we know bikers are not the most liked breed, and a great man once told me never fire all your bullets at once , just what you have to and hold some back , let the other side use all theirs first,then fire the big guns and sink them

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    Excuse the dumb question, But cheese cutters opposed to what? Metal barriers? Concrete barriers? What do you guys propose they replace them with and how would we benefit from replacing the cheese cutters with ____________?
    Last edited by delusionz; 28th October 2007 at 10:40. Reason: Woops I should have read up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by delusionz View Post
    Excuse the dumb question, But cheese cutters opposed to what? Metal barriers? Concrete barriers? What do you guys propose they replace them with and how would we benefit from replacing the cheese cutters with ____________?
    Concrete barriers would be ideal. Either that or Armco with an extra rail at the bottom. Basically anything that when we hit them at a glancing angle we just slide along instead of smashing into the posts or running along a saw blade (the wires).

    In some places I don't believe a barrier is required at all. Particularly on the left side of the road where there is plenty of run-off room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swbarnett View Post
    Either that or Armco with an extra rail at the bottom. Basically anything that when we hit them at a glancing angle we just slide along instead of smashing into the posts or running along a saw blade (the wires).
    Adding a rubber/plastic strip along the bottom of armcos seems to be quite a good idea to me. Looks cheaper and easier than adding another W rail.

    Since all this discussion has started again I'm far more aware of armcos and the wire rope barriers.

    The Greenhithe bridge has armco's with the thinish steel uprights. They look like the worst of all and they look like they wouldn't stop a biker from sliding off the bridge.

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    agreed with RIB

    how is the organising going?

    and if someone could make up a flyer for the protest, im sure the ones with printers could print a few off, if we all did some each then spread them around that would cover the printing issues and distribution. country wide in one swoop.
    also by giving us more time im sure kiwi rider mag, and motorcycle trader etc would be kind enough to put in a free page of the flyer, (being really cheeky).
    police escort would be cool for traffic issues.
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    Hi all, great to see everyone supports it all. I just wanted to comment in relation to those who think its being organised to quick, I understand what you say and mostly agree however the issue is this.

    The media are at this stage still interested in this as a follow up story from the tragic accident recently, it is important that we do it as quick as possible, the main reason is that our sympathetic TV3 reporter will then have a easier job selling the story to her news chief for a spot on the competitive news (we dont want to get bumped) if the story is still in the spotlight and within the general publics recent interest, we stand the best chance of getting it on air, and to the general public in MASS.

    The campaign will be long and slow, but this urgent organisation gives us the best chance of a TV spot, Im not sure we would get the same attention any further down the track.

    It doesnt stop here this is a Media show, and we need to play the game

    See you Saturday TELL EVERYONE YOU CAN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quasievil View Post
    Hi all, great to see everyone supports it all. I just wanted to comment in relation to those who think its being organised to quick, I understand what you say and mostly agree however the issue is this.

    The media are at this stage still interested in this as a follow up story from the tragic accident recently, it is important that we do it as quick as possible, the main reason is that our sympathetic TV3 reporter will then have a easier job selling the story to her news chief for a spot on the competitive news (we dont want to get bumped) if the story is still in the spotlight and within the general publics recent interest, we stand the best chance of getting it on air, and to the general public in MASS.

    The campaign will be long and slow, but this urgent organisation gives us the best chance of a TV spot, Im not sure we would get the same attention any further down the track.

    It doesnt stop here this is a Media show, and we need to play the game

    See you Saturday TELL EVERYONE YOU CAN

    Cheers

    I realise where you are coming from, you have Daniel as a focus point,

    But let's not forget, it's about all of us who are at risk, not just Daniels death.

    If enough people protest , which I hope they will, it will make me happy to see Daniels death side lined because of the real issue has come to the fore,

    the cheese cutters, "there removal or modification to make them safe to all road users"

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    On behalf of BRONZ.

    The issue of wire rope barriers was considered at the BRONZ National meeting on Saturday. The resulting resolution was :

    BRONZ has concerns about road barriers and in particular 'Brifen' wire rope barriers. BRONZ intends to take the opportunity to meet with Transit to discuss these concerns.

    We would like to see:

    - A review of the deployment of barriers and wire rope barriers in particular
    - No further deployment of wire rope barriers until that review is complete.
    - An immediate action plan by Transit to make existing barriers safer for motorcyclists.
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    Let me know if theres anything I can do...not working now and just doin study

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    I've been talking to a lot of non-bikers this last week and it's been very encouraging seeing how many agree that the barriers shoud be modified to make them safer. Most of the people I've spoken to were shocked when I explained how dangerous they are for us.

    I think just talking to as many people as you can about it will help get the public on board.

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