Fighting dirty

[Pixie]

Bart: Dad, remember when Tom had you in that headlock and you
screamed ``I'm a hemophiliac'' and when he let you go,
you kicked him in the back?
Homer: Heh heh heh. Yeah.
Bart: Could you teach me how to do that?
Homer: First you cry like a woman.When he looks away in disgust,you hit him in the throat,kick him in the back,step on his neck and run like hell.

[Wolf]

On the martial arts thing though, I'm very well persuaded that boxers above martial artists were the preferred "minders" in gangland London (and no, not from watching Arfur Daley )

Not too surprising, considering you can become a damned good boxer in less time than it takes to become a "serious beginner" (black belt) in most martial arts. Any boxer in the street's going to know a lot of "dirty" (outlawed by that Marquis of Queensbury ponce) tactics to swing the desired outcome in his (or her) favour.

Doubt many would get into "fights" as such - more like a good solid thump or two where it counts and it'd be all over for the recipient.

[Teflon]

Forget it, Max, Teflon's the world expert on everything - including what we'd do while someone's kicking our heads in - and wants to turn a thread about dirty fighting tactics into a slag-off-martial arts thread.

No expert, just been there. The problem is, i don't think half of you have been in, or seen how intense shit gets in a street fight. I have seen loads fights where Martial Artists have cracked under pressure, no rules, no ref.. unable to adapt to the streets.

All i'm saying is, your katas you practice millions of times is not practical on the street.. maybe against someone in the same discipline, but not against a street fighter.

Place a seasoned street fighter in the ring, he will most likely get his arse kicked.

No disrespect.. i've just seen what happens out there..

[Teflon]

No such thing as a dirty move imho. If you want to pick a fight with me I'm not going to fuck around having fisticuffs under the Marquess of Queensberry rules.

No. I think youre supposed to bow and get into your fighting stance. remember, screw punches from the waist...

[Deano]

Just like training with knifes, unless you are training for real, it's worthless.

So training with wooden knives is worthless ? I would beg to differ. Surely knowing how to handle a knife, be it wooden or steel is going to be of benefit.

Martial Arts is a false sense of security.

Maybe for some people - not me and probably not for Peter Bishop either - I will do whatever it takes to stay out of a fight, so there is no false sense of security urging me into one there - however, if I couldn't get out of it, I'd much rather have some training behind me - no fancy moves mind.

[MaxB]

Back in the day, I got into nightclub and security work when I was at uni in Europe. The money came in very useful cos its not cheap to live there. My dream gig was a posh inner city pub, a place where the upmarket crowd wanted to drink in safety.

Most of the fights are a blur. The orders were 'Don't panic the crowd and get the troublemakers outside as quickly as possible'. The one that sticks in my mind was a girlfight along the lines of 'you stole my boyfriend'. After they were put into the street the fight erupted again and suddenly there was a lot of blood on one of them. The cops were called and when they made the arrests they found a potato split in 2 with a razor blade embedded in it.

[Teflon]

Maybe for some people - not me and probably not for Peter Bishop either - I will do whatever it takes to stay out of a fight, so there is no false sense of security urging me into one there - however, if I couldn't get out of it, I'd much rather have some training behind me - no fancy moves mind.

This was a piss-take dude.. thought i'd get more bites than this.

I like winding up the Kyokushin boys.. they get more defensive.

[mitchilin]

I don't think I can add much to this thread.I've been bottled (18 stiches).Glassed(19 stiches)Half a dozen black eyes.Most of it while pissed,some not.I've seen dirtier tactics on a Rugby field than some of those situations and I've fucked myself up more on motorcycles than what anyone has given me.There's no such thing as dirty fighting.Fighting does not have rules.What I have learnt is that situational awareness is EVERYTHING

[Wolf]

I've seen dirtier tactics on a Rugby field than some of those situations and I've fucked myself up more on motorcycles than what anyone has given me.There's no such thing as dirty fighting.Fighting does not have rules.What I have learnt is that situational awareness is EVERYTHING

100% agreement with all of that.

[Pancakes]

.....................On the martial arts thing though, I'm very well persuaded that boxers above martial artists were the preferred "minders" in gangland London (and no, not from watching Arfur Daley )

Yeah I agree with that. One of my mates Grandads was an orphan in London, started boxing with the Krays and ended up working for them.

[The Lone Rider]

During a fight I have kneed someone in the stomach to make them stop blocking their face so I could hit there - this was during a hockey game though and the guy had been tripping me all game and checking me into the wall when I didn't have possession was the last straw. You would think a ref would call it, but there was no ref as it was suppose to be a casual social day game made up of mixed teams!