Pre-Election Poll

[Sanx]

Drooling Idiots: Garbled bullshit. Fuck all in support of argument. Barely any references at all.

No, barely any references you choose to accept, as you think there's a global media conspiracy going on somewhere.

III: YAAAWWWWN! Opinions backed with references and quotations from well known authors, presidents and leaders and further supported with references to websites and government inquiries.

A few quotations (with no citations, incidentally) and again, links to certain documents that happen to support your view. Statistics can be manipulated in just about any way and used to support any viewpoint, if you work hard enough. As I'm sure you know. And I've also noticed a remarkable tendency to ignore posts that simply blow your arguments out of the water. You've done it a couple of times to me; ridiculed my response using verifiably incorrect statistics or accusations and then when these are refuted (with references), you simply clam up. No response. No come-back. Just utter silence.

Drooling Idiots: More garbled semi literate junk without reference to authoritative sources. Frustration at inability to counter logical arguments presented by III usually results in childish ad hominem.

Argumenti ad hominem, actually. Ad hominem is an adjective, not a noun. And as your sentence used it in the plural, you'd have to suffix hominem with something else - but my Latin was forgotten a very long time ago. Just pointed out as you seem to take great pleasure in correcting others' use of terminology (now matter how invalid the correction may be). But I suppose I just proved your point.

III: ROTFLMFAO!!!!!! More opinions backed with more references and topped off with a slice of mirth at the inability of opposition to construct coherent arguments or even understand the terminology they throw around with gay abandon.

Again, the "understand the terminology they throw around with gay abandon" bit I really find laughable. Your meaning of particular words seem to be markedly different to other people's, yet apparently you claim to be the authoritative source. When this was pointed out to you, you simply lapsed into your usual catch-all argument - global corporate / media conspiracy - to explain why your version of certain terms was different. Apparently, "various interest groups OWN the organisations doing the defining and the definitions are often slanted toward THEIR opinions". There is just no coherent response to such utter tripe.

As for your claim to include references, you are demonstrably talking out of your arse. Unless that is, that the Mods, SpankMe and KB are also part of the global media / corporate conspiracy and have been carefully deleting them from the majority of your posts as they go along. Sure, you posted some website references about the Dame Magaret Beazley's Report of the Commission of Inquiry into Police Conduct, and a few links to mainly editorial pieces on globalpolicy.org; a rabidly left-wing media outlet but one, obviously, as yet unsullied by the global media conspiracy. You also provided an editorial from the NZ Herald, without caring to mention you'd cut it. Your post here, original here. (The fact that you quoted the NZ Herald is in itself remarkable, as you questioned the veracity of an article I linked to from the Herald saying that media shouldn't be trusted.) You've also provided a couple of uncited quotes. Yes, I can find Google references to them as well, but I'm never sure who to believe, as there's this global media conspiracy. You might have heard of it.

These few aside, what you post is pure opinion. For instance, you state that the "lastest (sic) poll on the extra tax take shows, educated people support MORE social spending by a factor of 2" without actually referring to what poll you're talking about. And why would you believe polls anyway? Aren't they carried out by global media corporations?

I used to be quite interested in these threads, but your presence within them has simply resulted in the thread's rapid deterioration into rabid dribble. I've had more reasoned conversations with Hassidic Jews and born-again Christians.

[avgas]

These threads are getting to be like conversations with drooling idiots. On one side, you have the few loudmouths with big opinions and fuck all knowledge.

Do you actually type this.....or does the bullshit come naturally?

[avgas]

And if everyone that thought like that actually voted with their conscience instead of acting like sheep maybe they'd get over the 5%

Statistically speaking......no.
20% of people didn't vote last time - and that fell on deaf ears.
While i do agree with the concept - making the whole of NZ realize it is like moving sand off a beach.

[Colapop]

United Future - coz no one else had voted for them... (it's a sympathy vote)

[Wolf]

United Future - coz no one else had voted for them... (it's a sympathy vote)

But, like a sympathy fuck, largely unsatisfying for the giver and seldom truly appreciated by the receiver...

[Colapop]

HAVE SEEN PETER DUNNE???? (Hmmm me too... )

[Robert Taylor]

Certainly not that Labour leader that looks like a 'double happy' has gone off in her mouth...... Gaz.

Except on the ''misrepresentation'' of election billboards. I will be voting National as the ''lesser of the evils'' but frankly I hanker for a system that isnt a lolly scramble for re-election every 3 years.

- restore the fpp voting system

- a properly defended country with a proper Air Force

- low taxes, no thieving levies

- less mp's

-arrest and reverse local government empire building and agendas subservient to central government dogma

-immigration of skilled people only, skills that we need

- restoration of capital punishment, death penalty for drug trafficking

- rebuild the police so they are purged of corruption and earn respect, actually give them teeth.

- less civil liberty and instil greater personal discipline

-less civil servants and all the taxpayer funded junkets that go with it

-compulsory military training for EVERY school leaver

- less embracement of the free market

-less reliance on foreign bankers

- higher pay rates, enabled in part by lower taxes and more incentive to work

- nuclear power solving at a stroke the usually ugly environmental impact of wind farms and hydro dams

- de-politicise the education system so our young can make their own judgements. Bolster the education system with a return to the core basics and adequate funding

- less political funding of comprehensive failures such as our rugby team and yachting.

- rebuild the health system that Labour has comprehensively turned into a basket case

- a system that favours exports more so than imports, stop parrallell importing

- de-centralise industry to releive pressure on Auckland, already bursting at the seams

- ensure that roading doesnt get upgraded to too high standards, so ensuring healthy aftermarket suspension sales!!!

-a big purge to rid the system of corruption at all ends of the scale

- no separatism, embrace the concept ''we are all New Zealanders''

- self reliance via a system that enables it and allows everyone equality of opportunity. State reliance as a safety net, NOT a lifestyle choice

SELF RELIANCE BUT WITH COMPASSION. ETC ETC...

[Robert Taylor]

Like most uneducated people, you don't seem to understand that one can embrace Capitalism and be patriotic to your home land. However, you do raise a good point in that I am not very patriotic as far as NZ goes. I used to be, but I just don't take the place seriously anymore.

Finn, in all fairness uneducated was a poor choice of word, indoctrinated would have been more appropriate. Combine that with legalisation of smoking mind altering substances via the Greens. Then we can all smoke it and pretend everythings alllllllright...........

[Wolf]

restore the fpp voting system

So you advocate turning it back into a simplistic 2-party system, National vs Labour, no other parties get a look in and no representation for anyone who is not an Authoritarian Right-winger. Because those are the only choices under FPP because all the 'tards think it's gotta be one or t'other.

less civil liberty and instil greater personal discipline

-compulsory military training for EVERY school leaver

- less embracement of the free market

Authoritarian twaddle. CMT and abolishing civil liberties are great if you want to control the masses. As to removing the free market - and I'm sure even Finn would agree - if the business cannot compete and make it's own way against the competition, fuck it, it deserves to go under.

de-politicise the education system so our young can make their own judgements. Bolster the education system with a return to the core basics and adequate funding

- self reliance via a system that enables it and allows everyone equality of opportunity. State reliance as a safety net, NOT a lifestyle choice

Now that seems to contradict your "No civil liberties", "shove everyone into the army", "abolish free trade" crap.

Self-reliance cannot be had when you've removed free trade and mollycoddled businesses, it cannot be had by people blindly toeing the line, it cannot be had without liberty.

Interested to see what "apolitical" education system you propose that will make people "freely" choose your Authoritarian "no civil liberties, get ready to go into the armed forces when you leave here" political system.

Personally, I'd like to see MMP come up with a proper mixed-member parliament with a Libertarian basis and their more extreme policies (read "the ones I personally don't agree with") tempered/blocked by other parties.

[Robert Taylor]

So you advocate turning it back into a simplistic 2-party system, National vs Labour, no other parties get a look in and no representation for anyone who is not an Authoritarian Right-winger. Because those are the only choices under FPP because all the 'tards think it's gotta be one or t'other.



Authoritarian twaddle. CMT and abolishing civil liberties are great if you want to control the masses. As to removing the free market - and I'm sure even Finn would agree - if the business cannot compete and make it's own way against the competition, fuck it, it deserves to go under.



Now that seems to contradict your "No civil liberties", "shove everyone into the army", "abolish free trade" crap.

Self-reliance cannot be had when you've removed free trade and mollycoddled businesses, it cannot be had by people blindly toeing the line, it cannot be had without liberty.

Interested to see what "apolitical" education system you propose that will make people "freely" choose your Authoritarian "no civil liberties, get ready to go into the armed forces when you leave here" political system.

Personally, I'd like to see MMP come up with a proper mixed-member parliament with a Libertarian basis and their more extreme policies (read "the ones I personally don't agree with") tempered/blocked by other parties.

I make no apologies for the seeming contradictions, perhaps its an acknowlegement that there are faults in every type of system.

Totally open free trade demonstrably has its excesses e.g filling up a container with cheap Chinese minibikes with metallurgy akin to the composition of weetbix. Flogging them off and offering no back up. Wrong, wrong, wrong...Note that I DID NOT advocate abolishing free trade, tempering it from the excesses makes sense.

And instilling some much needed discipline and self respect into the populace does not neccessarily( nor should it ) mean control. Such intent has in fact been practiced most by left wing regimes.

As for reinstalling fpp, anything that keeps the Nandor Dopeheads, Sue Bashfords and Keith pacifist Lockes out of Parliament is a good thing.

But it is all a pipe dream because what really needs to be done in this country is in fact an unelectable agenda.

[necrolyte]

I would vote for Mr. Taylor, but i'm for National if only to get Labour out of there!

[Wolf]

And instilling some much needed discipline and self respect into the populace does not neccessarily( nor should it ) mean control. Such intent has in fact been practiced most by left wing regimes.

Miliarism and Authoritarianism are not limited to left or right wing. For exmple, Hitler was centrist and he had "great" education for the kiddies - they even got their own uniforms and special knives with mottoes etched on the blades.

Self respect is not taught by the military, only discipline and obedience to the chain of command...

At the top of which are the retarded politicians themselves.

[idleidolidyll]

No, barely any references you choose to accept, as you think there's a global media conspiracy going on somewhere.

barely a reference at all from you and your kind; it's fucking hilarious actually; you seem to think your opinion is worth more than my quotes from govt sites, political commentary sites, direct quotes from leaders and military types....funny as hell


A few quotations (with no citations, incidentally) and again, links to certain documents that happen to support your view. Statistics can be manipulated in just about any way and used to support any viewpoint, if you work hard enough. As I'm sure you know. And I've also noticed a remarkable tendency to ignore posts that simply blow your arguments out of the water. You've done it a couple of times to me; ridiculed my response using verifiably incorrect statistics or accusations and then when these are refuted (with references), you simply clam up. No response. No come-back. Just utter silence.

actually i've posted way more links than anyone i've debated with here. recently those have been from the NZ Govt, scoop, the Herald, international political sites and more as well as a bunch of referenced quotes from ex presidents and military leaders. In return i've got fuck all from you and yours.
again, you're fucking hilarious
BTW: I don't ignore posts but pray tell, do you really think you count for much in my world? I often get 50 replies in a day and when I come back after 3-5 days, I'm not particularly interested in trolling through to find some you are peeved about because you THINK you've been ignored; you're just not that special.

Argumenti ad hominem, actually. Ad hominem is an adjective, not a noun. And as your sentence used it in the plural, you'd have to suffix hominem with something else - but my Latin was forgotten a very long time ago. Just pointed out as you seem to take great pleasure in correcting others' use of terminology (now matter how invalid the correction may be). But I suppose I just proved your point.

yawn, who gives a rats arse?

Again, the "understand the terminology they throw around with gay abandon" bit I really find laughable. Your meaning of particular words seem to be markedly different to other people's, yet apparently you claim to be the authoritative source. When this was pointed out to you, you simply lapsed into your usual catch-all argument - global corporate / media conspiracy - to explain why your version of certain terms was different. Apparently, "various interest groups OWN the organisations doing the defining and the definitions are often slanted toward THEIR opinions". There is just no coherent response to such utter tripe.

It aint MY meaning sonny, it's definition from sources quoted rather than from ignorance and propaganda. I DON'T claim to BE the authoritative source, I claim to post from authoritative sources; see if you can get your head around THAT English.
BTW: The corporate media is hardly a myth and ig you were to do a bit of reading you might learn something.

As for your claim to include references, you are demonstrably talking out of your arse. Unless that is, that the Mods, SpankMe and KB are also part of the global media / corporate conspiracy and have been carefully deleting them from the majority of your posts as they go along. Sure, you posted some website references about the Dame Magaret Beazley's Report of the Commission of Inquiry into Police Conduct, and a few links to mainly editorial pieces on globalpolicy.org; a rabidly left-wing media outlet but one, obviously, as yet unsullied by the global media conspiracy. You also provided an editorial from the NZ Herald, without caring to mention you'd cut it. Your post here, original here. (The fact that you quoted the NZ Herald is in itself remarkable, as you questioned the veracity of an article I linked to from the Herald saying that media shouldn't be trusted.) You've also provided a couple of uncited quotes. Yes, I can find Google references to them as well, but I'm never sure who to believe, as there's this global media conspiracy. You might have heard of it.

Indeed I DO post references but I don't feel the need to repost them just because you were asleep at the time. Of course I cut extracts from the references I offered, the Beazley report is 500 pages. However, if you ware 'concerned', all you have to do is go to the referenced page supplied. Are you really unable to find a reference in the Herald? Sorry, I'm not interested in helping lazy people.

These few aside, what you post is pure opinion. For instance, you state that the "lastest (sic) poll on the extra tax take shows, educated people support MORE social spending by a factor of 2" without actually referring to what poll you're talking about. And why would you believe polls anyway? Aren't they carried out by global media corporations?

Who gives a rats arse? Opinions abound here and unlike 99% of the members, I offer references and far more than almost anyone here; you included.

I used to be quite interested in these threads, but your presence within them has simply resulted in the thread's rapid deterioration into rabid dribble. I've had more reasoned conversations with Hassidic Jews and born-again Christians.

Yawn, you chose to read and respond and then you try to tell me you're not interested or somehow bored? ROTFLMFAO! Don't you even see how silly that is!
If you're really uninterested instead of just running scared of sound argument, nobody's twisting your arm to read my posts.

[idleidolidyll]

I would vote for Mr. Taylor, but i'm for National if only to get Labour out of there!

Mr Taylor seems to wants to go back to when Maori were fucked over and the government didn't give a shit. He suggested as much when we debated his 'conservatism'.

As for a 'Taylor Government' I'd expect a massive migration out of NZ the instant something as ridiculous as that happened.

[Robert Taylor]

Mr Taylor seems to wants to go back to when Maori were fucked over and the government didn't give a shit. He suggested as much when we debated his 'conservatism'.

As for a 'Taylor Government' I'd expect a massive migration out of NZ the instant something as ridiculous as that happened.

Yep, 2 way traffic. BTW, realism, not racism. You can continue to interpret how you want to and if that makes you happy then great. Just make sure you are consistent by launching into lengthy foul mouthed diatribes vilifying anyone who dares to deviate from your view of the world. Clearly, in your world conservative folk are intellectually vacant. Is that what is preached by communist lecturers littering universities perhaps?