Pre-Election Poll

[Wolf]

It's interesting to note that so far, this poll is tending Authoritarian Right (National) while my poll on the political orientation of KBers is currently tending towards Libertarian Centre/Left.

I invite all those who have voted here to check out my thread and see where your own political views stand.

I wonder how many people have said they would vote National or labour as "a lesser of two evils" as if they are the only parties in NZ and one has to compromise ones values to vote for an "evil".

How many are only voting for Labour or National "to keep the other one out"?

How many here - aside from those of us who have marked something other than National or Labour - have actually read the policies of the other parties?

How many here are thinking humans and how many are sheeple who vote the way their mummy/daddy did or because they've "gotta keep/get those National/Labour bastards out of office"?

It is said that "we get the government we deserve" - and so long as people in a Mixed Member Proportional voting system still keep thinking in terms of two parties and fearing coalition governments (which under FPP was a Bad Thing - mummy said so) and fearing to vote for anyone but the big two - like most of the retarded sheeple in this country have done for the last few elections (based on the election results and the weeping and moaning about coalitions by the average retard in the street), so long as NZers are unthinking creatures of habit, we will get the useless thieving pack of mongrels in power that we deserve.

I'm beginning to think NZers deserve no better than a Nanny State, for all they moan about it.

The near-universal whinging and bitching suggests people want less government interference in our lives but in reality that would be too scary and it's safer to continue voting for the Authoritarian (in your workplace, in your home, in your bedroom) pack of self-serving proponents of the Nanny State.

That way you've got what is familiar and safe and you can settle down to the familiar pattern of being fucked up the arse by National/Labour and whinging about the "Nanny State" or make plans to fuck off to Australia/Canada/Istanbul.

Gods forbid that we as a country should actually vote for someone else.

[Usarka]

Maybe there are just some Libertarianz policies that don't go down to well:

eg:

• American style healthcare, you can't afford - you die.
• No welfare for those *genuinely* in need.
• Open immigration as long as immigrants dont try to claim welfare. (I guess crime is a good way to get an income)

[Wolf]

Well you could vote for them haha but you'd be throwing your vote away. It's a two party system!!

Baaaa baaaa!

No point trying to change anything, might have to think for ourselves, better to stick with what we know - let Labour tell us how to run our home lives and National tell us how frequently to suck corporate cock.

Attitudes like yours will ensure New Zealand never gets a government that represents the wishes of the people. You and all the other "pointless trying to make a change.

No point really having a VOTING system for the people, really, it'd be a lot simpler and cheaper if Labour and National just took turns or tossed a coin every 4 years.

Why-oh-fucking-why did so many people strive to get out from under Monarchies and Dictatorships, why did so may women crusade to get the vote, why did they waste their time trying to give power to the people?

Do us a favour, Usarka: DON'T VOTE.

[Wolf]

Maybe there are just some Libertarianz policies that don't go down to well:

eg:

• American style healthcare, you can't afford - you die.
• No welfare for those *genuinely* in need.
• Open immigration as long as immigrants dont try to claim welfare. (I guess crime is a good way to get an income)

I did say I don't agree with all their policies.

How about:
less government control of our lives
revamped legal system
the right to self defence
and (though this'll mean people will have to think for themselves rather than waiting for National and Labour to tell them what to do) Responsibility for ones own actions.

So you don't like the Libertarianz, good for you, how about researching the other parties and seeing if they are more to your liking than saying "It's gotta be National or Labour"

[Trudes]

Possibly the main problem in NZ is that politics (in a broad sense) and how the Government is made is not taught in schools and the majority of NZers don't actually know a lot about the whole process and what exactly they are voting for.
Personally, I never knew a lot about it until I had to do a couple of compulsory papers at Uni about politics and policy. Some of it still confuses the crap out of me, but I feel I have a better understanding of what I'm voting for and how my vote will be counted etc. I wonder how many other people out there really have no idea what they're voting for and just vote Labour or National purely on what they see on the news, or "Helen Clarke is an ugly old bat". Is it up to the individual to learn about politics/Government, or should it be something that is taught? Perhaps if it was, people may be more educated about the whole thing and not blindly vote. JMO.

[Pixie]

Baaaa baaaa!

No point trying to change anything, might have to think for ourselves, better to stick with what we know - let Labour tell us how to run our home lives and National tell us how frequently to suck corporate cock.

Attitudes like yours will ensure New Zealand never gets a government that represents the wishes of the people. You and all the other "pointless trying to make a change.

No point really having a VOTING system for the people, really, it'd be a lot simpler and cheaper if Labour and National just took turns or tossed a coin every 4 years.

Why-oh-fucking-why did so many people strive to get out from under Monarchies and Dictatorships, why did so may women crusade to get the vote, why did they waste their time trying to give power to the people?

Do us a favour, Usarka: DON'T VOTE.

This is all pointless.
Recent research indicates that most of the time most humans make any decision on an unconscious level,that is,by the same brain structures that reptiles and slimy little invertibrates use.Then the conscious mind comes along 0.5 to 1 second later and creates a delusion that it was a conscious well thought out descision.

So expecting voters to consider carefully how they vote is pointless.

[Wolf]

Is it up to the individual to learn about politics/Government, or should it be something that is taught? Perhaps if it was, people may be more educated about the whole thing and not blindly vote. JMO.

Ahh. Well, my standard answer has to be that it is the responsibility of the individual to learn and make a considered choice but - as that's never going to happen with the 3 million or so 2-legged sheep in this country - it might be best if political theory were made a compulsory school subject.

It'll never happen though, as the major parties would never make compulsory any subject that would let the average New Zealander come to the realisation that the major parties are full of shit and are deliberately raping the populace.

[Wolf]

This is all pointless.
Recent research indicates that most of the time most humans make any decision on an unconscious level,that is,by the same brain structures that reptiles and slimy little invertibrates use.Then the conscious mind comes along 0.5 to 1 second later and creates a delusion that it was a conscious well thought out descision.

So expecting voters to consider carefully how they vote is pointless.

Most likely right, there, unfortunately.

For myself I would rather vote based on the closest match to my politics in the vain hope that if everyone did that we'd get a government that closer matched the needs of our people.

I don't agree with all the Libertarianz party's policies but there are a lot I do agree with.

If everyone looked at the various parties and did the same as I'm doing we'd probably end up with a mixed-party government that would better reflect the people of NZ and hopefully the parties would temper each other's more extreme policies into something reasonable.

That's a pipe dream, I know, but personally I would rather vote based on my ideals and conscience than waste my vote on a "lesser evil".

[SPman]

It'll be much the same as Labour. At present all their policies that they have announced are very much in line with Labour's. If they are not John U Turn Keys changes them so that they are.

I've always said that to fuck off the Greens, Act, etc. is that Labour and the Nats form a coalition. I've actually mooted this on the odd occasion at political do's that I occasionaly attend. No one has taken me seriously, yet when I mention this at parties etc most people that have a smattering of political knowledge can see the merits that this would have for the country. While their are differences between Labour and the Nats their thinking in many areas are much the same.

Skyryder

The lines are getting more and more blurred. They've just colluded to vote down Keith Lockes amendment to the terrorism (god - I hate that word) suppression bill, which would ensure the bill could not be applied to peaceful protests!
It is difficult to see this as anything other than the two major parties and their authoritarian hangers-on voting to explicitly criminalise political dissent and suppress human rights in this country, yet, according to half the proles on here, the Greens, Maoris, etc, are loony hangers on who shouldn't be tolerated and do nothing!
At least they try and stand up for basic human rights and provide some voice against the main stream mediocrity, that is most peoples pocket based choice!
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[SPman]

Ahh. Well, my standard answer has to be that it is the responsibility of the individual to learn and make a considered choice but - as that's never going to happen with the 3 million or so 2-legged sheep in this country - it might be best if political theory were made a compulsory school subject.

It'll never happen though, as the major parties would never make compulsory any subject that would let the average New Zealander come to the realisation that the major parties are full of shit and are deliberately raping the populace.

"spread more bling before etc......"

"I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion"
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." -Thomas Jefferson

[idleidolidyll]

These threads are getting to be like conversations with drooling idiots. On one side, you have the few loudmouths with big opinions and fuck all knowledge. On the other, you have III and a few intelligent souls not yet bored with hilarious yokels from the boondocks. It goes a bit like this:

Drooling Idiots: Garbled bullshit. Fuck all in support of argument. Barely any references at all.
III: YAAAWWWWN! Opinions backed with references and quotations from well known authors, presidents and leaders and further supported with references to websites and government inquiries.
Drooling Idiots: More garbled semi literate junk without reference to authoritative sources. Frustration at inability to counter logical arguments presented by III usually results in childish ad hominem.
III: ROTFLMFAO!!!!!! More opinions backed with more references and topped off with a slice of mirth at the inability of opposition to construct coherent arguments or even understand the terminology they throw around with gay abandon.

So, III, given that has already explained what political system he supports, what this involves and what policies / governance he'd like to see implemented in the ideal world; when will these drooling monkeys actually post something intelligent and reality based instead of just regurgitate propaganda? Unlike his opposition though, III doesn't need to do it by resorting to mindless negative comments about existing politicians, parties or governments. I'm sure some of you would like to see some logical debate without the silly propaganda promoted by so many; I know I would

[Finn]

Idle is just upset cause his stupid party is running low in the polls.

[idleidolidyll]

Idle is just upset cause his stupid party is running low in the polls.

Finn's just upset because he has no idea who 'my' party is.

But it's hilarious watching him try to fit his foot in his mouth

[Wolf]

The lines are getting more and more blurred. They've just colluded to vote down Keith Lockes amendment to the terrorism (god - I hate that word) suppression bill, which would ensure the bill could not be applied to peaceful protests!
It is difficult to see this as anything other than the two major parties and their authoritarian hangers-on voting to explicitly criminalise political dissent and suppress human rights in this country, yet, according to half the proles on here, the Greens, Maoris, etc, are loony hangers on who shouldn't be tolerated and do nothing!
At least they try and stand up for basic human rights and provide some voice against the main stream mediocrity, that is most peoples pocket based choice!
.

But but but we're all going to be rescued by a National Government who will abolish speed cameras and ACC-driven ticket quotas, repeal the Anti-smacking Bill, remove the hidden legislation that is responsible for it raining for three days out of every 5 and everyone in New Zealand will be happy an free again - just like Good King Richard the Lionhearted was going to save England from Evil Prince John Lackland...

[Finn]

Finn's just upset because he has no idea who 'my' party is.

But it's hilarious watching him try to fit his foot in his mouth

You voted for the Greens in this poll. I presumed that's who you support.