Out of the Blue (Aramoana Massacre movie)

[ManDownUnder]

I hear that the minister of Police at the time actualy orderd his execution, J.B. one of the most positive things that he has done for New Zealand

I heard they were supposed to do it execution style though, blind folded, stood against a post and a firing squad, one bullet among many blanks so no-one would really know who did it - the whole nine yards.

Amasing stuff!

[peasea]

I loved the bit when the pig got shot, that was great.

[Swoop]

i thought that scene was excellent.
that maggot deserved no more respect as he coughed.

That scene, with the AOS standing around having a smoke, is the only part of the movie the police took exception to.
The gunshot through the eye, which was shown on the movie, matches the scene photographs taken as evidence afterwards.

I think the "firing squad" comments, made earlier, are improbable at least...

The thing about Davud Grey was that he needed help, well before the shooting (opening scene when he thinks and visualised the cops are at his place when they weren't)

The police had been at his crib before it all started. He had appeared on the police radar and could have been dealt with at that stage, but they failed to do anything along those lines to prevent this all happening.

[spudchucka]

What I wanna know.. is.. WHY the fuck they didn't 'shoot to kill' the fucker in first place!!!!!????

Because at the time police general instructions in regard to the use of firearms against offenders was that they could not fire their weapons until the offender had been called upon to surrender first, this is what cost Stu Guthrie his life. Following Aramoana the general instructions were amended by placing the words, "unless it is unsafe or impractical to do so" after the called upon to surrender part.

There was a scene in the movie where Guthrie instructs the other cops at the scene not to fire unless they had called on him to surrender first.

[TLMAN]

I loved the bit when the pig got shot, that was great.

Hello - weve found the next david gray......

[MyGSXF:Me]

Because at the time police general instructions in regard to the use of firearms against offenders was that they could not fire their weapons until the offender had been called upon to surrender first, this is what cost Stu Guthrie his life. Following Aramoana the general instructions were amended by placing the words, "unless it is unsafe or impractical to do so" after the called upon to surrender part.

There was a scene in the movie where Guthrie instructs the other cops at the scene not to fire unless they had called on him to surrender first.

Thats all fair enough for the times, for sure.. but I was referrring to the AOS.. they put a few shots in him.. but none were instantly fatal.. (I do reliase that that MAY not have actually been possible..) I am just stating my feelings.. the fucker deserved one between the eyes!!!!

[TLMAN]

Then he would have the luxury of dying instantly instead of lying in excrutiating pain riddled with bullets for a time before he died.

[jonbuoy]

I can't understand why they let the nutter rove around at night with people still in their houses like that old granny. Why didn't they evacuate the town with an APC or similar - even a bus kitted out A team style with steel sheets over the windows and a loud hailer.

[spudchucka]

Thats all fair enough for the times, for sure.. but I was referrring to the AOS.. they put a few shots in him.. but none were instantly fatal.. (I do reliase that that MAY not have actually been possible..) I am just stating my feelings.. the fucker deserved one between the eyes!!!!

There has been numerous threads previously about this sort of thing. Head shots are seldom justifiable in law enforcement scenarios.

[MyGSXF:Me]

Head shots are seldom justifiable in law enforcement scenarios.

lols.. & murdering innocent little children at virtually point blank range isn't justifiable???!!!!

[Oakie]

lols.. & murdering innocent little children at virtually point blank range isn't justifiable???!!!!

I think the point is that you're supposed to shoot at the greatest body mass to get a better chance of a hit and the chest area is a way bigger target than a head. So yeah, 'a shot between the eyes' is way more effective when the target is hit but it is a much harder shot, hence not being justifiable.

[spudchucka]

lols.. & murdering innocent little children at virtually point blank range isn't justifiable???!!!!

You're comparing the actions of a murderer who has no regard for life or laws with the actions of a law enforcement officer who has to act lawfully in every regard, especially as he squeezes the trigger.

The police are not there to carry out state sanctioned revenge, even if the offender thoroughly deserves it.

[JMemonic]

Did not see the film, moved to Dunedin not too long after the event, or might have actually been living there at the time, meet a chap who sold David Grey ammo and firearms (legitimate dealer) who actually attempted to get the police to seize the firearms and ammo as he was mentally unfit to hold the licence, remember that this happened just after the laws changed and the system lost track of what guns a person had, just gave them permission to buy guns (thats another argument for another time). Not unlike now unfortunately the police did not get to check out the claims/complaint due to numbers and staffing issues, the fact that Grey stated to this guy he was going to use x gun to kill y neighbour was not taken seriously.

Of course this is all hearsay and never came out in any of the enquires as some one in authority went arse covering, hmm reminds me some of the same folks did the Bain investigation and never found out that the father was prostituting the daughter even though it was local knowledge, nuff said.

Sad situation really, some bosses can get away with incompetence while folks get shot including an officer who was trying to save lives.

Bitch all you like about the police but I bet when some nutter is running down your street shooting people, you will be screaming out for them.

[JMemonic]

You're comparing the actions of a murderer who has no regard for life or laws with the actions of a law enforcement officer who has to act lawfully in every regard, especially as he squeezes the trigger.

The police are not there to carry out state sanctioned revenge, even if the offender thoroughly deserves it.

Well said

[scumdog]

I can't understand why they let the nutter rove around at night with people still in their houses like that old granny. Why didn't they evacuate the town with an APC or similar - even a bus kitted out A team style with steel sheets over the windows and a loud hailer.

They cops didn't know where everybody was, they didn't know where Gray was, they didn't know if there were other shooters etc etc

So no what you suggest would have been possible.

And how long to kit out a bus with armour etc?????