11/9 Self-Evident

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

[Romeo]

Operation Northwoods

[Hitcher]

Does this mean you'll finally leave me alone about my use of the word 'Ass'?

I think I said pro-American, not pro-Canadian...

[steveb64]

You threw out the Brits to get rid of the Monarchy - George the 3rd - and all that it stood for. The leaders knew what could happen in the years after so drafted the Constitution to try and avoid the inevitable slide into decadence, power and corruption that can follow and, by and large it was successful. The ruling elite in the US have now dismembered the constitution and what is left, they ignore. They have put common law back to pre 12th century Britain by removing Habeus Corpus and Bush can now, effectively rule by decree - he can bypass Congress and the Senate (who are weak as piss at the moment, anyway).
The oath sworn by all military and government personel, is to uphold THE CONSTITUTION of the United States, - not the government, not the President, not Congress, - the Constitution! And they are all failing abysmally in their sworn oaths, which makes them liars and traitors to the USA!
The US ruling elite is virtually a monarchy, now, in all but name - the USA is right back to King George in charge!

Thought you might be interested in this article, re the selection of the Bush administration 'Inspector General', and auditors...

A snippet:

Just as he politicized every other facet of government from FEMA to the Farm Bureau, President Bush has ignored the law and stocked the inspector general posts with inexperienced cronies. According to a study by the House Oversight Committee, more than a third of Bush's inspectors previously held a political post in the White House, compared to none of Bill Clinton's appointees. Judging from their résumés — deputy counsel to the Bush-Cheney transition team, special assistant to Trent Lott, senior counsel to Fred Thompson, daughter to Chief Justice William Rehnquist — Bush's appointees seem more qualified to be partisans at a neoconservative think tank than America's last line of defense against fraud and abuse. What's more, fewer than one-fifth of the inspectors appointed by Bush had previous experience as auditors, compared to two-thirds of Clinton's appointees. "The IGs have been politicized and dumbed down," said Rep. Brad Miller, oversight chair of the House science committee.

And the link to the whole article... http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...bushs_lap_dogs

...and yeah, it's from Rolling Stone - but do ya reckon Fox would have published it?

[SPman]

Yep - read that article - not really a surprise I guess.
The only people who can get the US out of the moral mire it is in, is the population and with a 40% voting rate and falling, those who do care seem doomed to drown in a morass of apathy.
Hmmm......sounds familiar..........

[Winston001]

I didn't read the lot but get the point. I agree. Some corporations are amoral without loyalty to any sovereign state. As such they can act above the law by transferring activity to more corrupt, less well governed locations.

There is much sci-fi writing on the future societies where Earth and space are governed by competing corporations. I have no reason to think that can't happen.

Against that today however is arrayed the military and political power of governments. No government wants to be undermined by corporations. Thus we see anti-trust (anti-monopoly) laws which are likely to only become stronger as politicians fear loss of authority and power.

I don't think the future is as bleak as Super-Citizens would postulate despite the size of Coca cola, Microsoft, Nike etc.

[pete376403]

William Pitt has some really good essays on truthout.org

[idleidolidyll]

Operation Northwoods

Yep, false flags ops are not only possible they're likely.

Some say Pearl Harbour was 'allowed' to happen.

The US used a false flag op to restart the Vietnam war (The Tonkin incident), also in the Philippines.

Others say 9/11 itself was either planned or 'allowed' by those in power in the US. Certainly the investigation into it was bullshit.

The US has used flase flag ops many times and its sheeple remain in the dark battered by compliant media.

[idleidolidyll]

Did I say I didn't agree that America is fucked up? My argument is that you are bitching about another country when you come from a country that is fucked as well.
Put your own house in order before worrying about others.

Nope, NZ isn't even close to being as fucked up as the US. We don't make a policy of slaughtering people for profit.

[idleidolidyll]

Have you often wondered that perhaps the State terriorist feed on open mouths?

I know I am not part of the problem, not because I am uncaring but because I know how I feel........I actually think it is people with your view of things are more of a worry (not meant to be a personal attack)..................

No, they thrive on silence. They rely on people to be afraid to speak out about their abuse and because of that silence, it will continue.

If your neighbor screams rape, do you ignore that too? The US issue is far worse

[Finn]

I might be moving to the US in a year or two. Really looking forward to it.

[MisterD]

Getting away from the rhetoric and cut-and-paste (if at all possible) and speaking from actual real experience - I'm currently working for my second big US corporation and I can safely say that in terms of the way they treat their employees and the way they support stuff in their own local communities (all well above and beyond the requirements of any legislation) they piss from a great height all over any of the other companies I've worked for, be they British, Scandinavian, French or Kiwi...

[MisterD]

I might be moving to the US in a year or two. Really looking forward to it.

Just don't buy an American car, that's one field where they really do suck!

[Finn]

Just don't buy an American car, that's one field where they really do suck!

Don't worry I won't. You can blame the unions for that.

[Grahameeboy]

No, they thrive on silence. They rely on people to be afraid to speak out about their abuse and because of that silence, it will continue.

If your neighbor screams rape, do you ignore that too? The US issue is far worse

Oh dear................if I heard someone scream rape I would not ignore that.

Abuse continues regardless of those who speak out or those who remain silent because it does not concern them as they do what they do.