11/9 Self-Evident

[idleidolidyll]

This topic is supposedly about 11/9 (or 9/11) being self evident. So far there is very little on this topic in the whole thread. Plenty of anti-american hysteria, but almost nothing concerning 11/9. Please keep on topic or the whole thread goes to PD.

So why did the moderators move my post about US fascism to this thread? There was nothing in it about 9/11.
I started a NEW thread knowing that US fascism was NOT specifically 9/11 but a much longer ongoing political problem.

please be consistent

[idleidolidyll]

In one sense I agree that if the Yanks want to mess with the Arabs then they deserve some feedback, but what is forgotten (and by the Yanks) is that this was an attack on the World Trade Centre so from memory the significant proportion were not Yanks.

History shows that if you mess in the Middle East it will eventually bite you.

who attacked the WTC and Pentagon?

after the US published a list of those who committed the attack, about half were discovered alive and well.
they've never made any statement correcting or qualifying the original.

BTW: The list they gave contained no Iraqis at all but 9/11 was one of the reasons used to justify that piece of US terrorism in the ME.............and then it changed, and changed again, and changed again, and changed again

How many times should you trust a liar?

[idleidolidyll]

Sums it up well I reckon...

indeed it does

was that from the link I posted? I've seen the US fascism flag before

[idleidolidyll]

This topic is supposedly about 11/9 (or 9/11) being self evident. So far there is very little on this topic in the whole thread. Plenty of anti-american hysteria, but almost nothing concerning 11/9. Please keep on topic or the whole thread goes to PD.

actually jantar, as i started this thread and the original post was the lyrics of a piece of anti Bush/MIC music with that music's title as the thread title; i'd say this was about that piece of music, it's author and the entire contents of the song which INCLUDES amerikan fascism outside of 11/9.

Go back and read the original post and tell me if it didn't also mention the phoney elections, Palestine, Afghanistan, El Salvador, Iraq, US abuse of Native Americans, fake US democracy, wars for fuel, oil companies, previous attacks on US assets, retribution for past amerikan atrocities comitted etc etc etc

Tell ya what, I'll save you the trouble: ALL those issues are mentioned in the first post.

[Daffyd]

In one sense I agree that if the Yanks want to mess with the Arabs then they deserve some feedback, but what is forgotten (and by the Yanks) is that this was an attack on the World Trade Centre so from memory the significant proportion were not Yanks.

History shows that if you mess in the Middle East it will eventually bite you.

And there is growing evidence that the WTC attack was home grown.

[idleidolidyll]

so why trust the US?

I see little reason to do so and the latest news from thew UN emphasises this; who pulls the strings?

"
UNITED NATIONS - The United States suddenly withdrew a UN resolution endorsing this week's agreement by Israeli and Palestinian leaders to try to reach a Mideast peace settlement because of Israeli objections even though it had overwhelming support in the Security Council.
The US about-face in less than 24 hours on Friday surprised many UN diplomats and highlighted Israel's difficult relations with the United Nations, which it contends is anti-Israeli and pro-Palestinian. But what surprised UN diplomats most was that the US did not consult Israel, one of its closest allies, before introducing the draft resolution on Thursday afternoon.
With virtually every other Mideast resolution, the United States had consulted Israel in advance, but on Thursday US Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad first presented it at a closed council meeting.
As he left, he welcomed the "very positive" response from council members but told reporters he needed to consult with the Israelis and Palestinians on the text to ensure that the resolution was what they wanted.


It clearly was not what Israel wanted as a first step to support the agreement reached this week at the US-sponsored Mideast conference in Annapolis, Maryland, by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert to try to reach a peace settlement by the end of 2008.
Well-informed diplomats said Israel did not want a resolution because it would bring the Security Council, which it distrusts, into the fledgling negotiations with the Palestinians. The diplomats, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue, said Khalilzad introduced the draft resolution not only without consulting the Israelis and Palestinians but without getting broad support from President George W. Bush's administration."



more: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/...ectid=10479491

[pzkpfw]

And there is growing evidence that the WTC attack was home grown.

Mould grows too.

Have you been watching "Loose Change" or something?

[Daffyd]

Mould grows too.

Have you been watching "Loose Change" or something?

"Let's Roll 911".... Compelling viewing!

[Grahameeboy]

who attacked the WTC and Pentagon?

after the US published a list of those who committed the attack, about half were discovered alive and well.
they've never made any statement correcting or qualifying the original.

BTW: The list they gave contained no Iraqis at all but 9/11 was one of the reasons used to justify that piece of US terrorism in the ME.............and then it changed, and changed again, and changed again, and changed again

How many times should you trust a liar?

I'm sorry but not sure that your post bears any relationship to what I said...........

[Grahameeboy]

And there is growing evidence that the WTC attack was home grown.

and that the US Govt knew what was going to happen and did not stop it so they would have an excuse to invade Iraq.

Home grown Muslim's and supporters given the resources so still originates from Middle East

[Daffyd]

and that the US Govt knew what was going to happen and did not stop it so they would have an excuse to invade Iraq.

Home grown Muslim's and supporters given the resources so still originates from Middle East

Nah, much, MUCH closer to home than that, IMHO.

[Street Gerbil]

UNITED NATIONS - The United States suddenly withdrew a UN resolution [...]even though it had overwhelming support in the Security Council.

The diplomats, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue, said [US Ambassador Zalmay] Khalilzad introduced the draft resolution [...] without getting broad support from President George W. Bush's administration.

In other words, a diplomat who went out of line and started playing his little games behind the back of the government, got publicly bitchslapped . Sounds like a mild case of cancelled Christmas

[Waylander]

so what?

as i suggested to a senior mod some time ago: moderators, as the people who enforce the rules, should be held to a higher standard.

he agreed

I'm carrying a number of points right now for 'taking the thread off topic'; you should be punished twice as hard given that you're a moderator. You should also receive higher points for the personal attack within the post.

that you commit these offences as a moderator makes you a hypocrite.

were you infracted?
we'll never know; the silly rules don't allow us to know if justice is being done.

Don't like the rules? Get the fuck out then. No one is holding a gun to your head making you post.

So why did the moderators move my post about US fascism to this thread? There was nothing in it about 9/11.
I started a NEW thread knowing that US fascism was NOT specifically 9/11 but a much longer ongoing political problem.

please be consistent

Two threads same self righteous bullshit. Be glad it hasn't been PDed yet like other threads far more worthwhile than this one.


EDIT: Oh and I've already reported this post for you thirdie. One less thing you have to do thanks to an American.

[Hitcher]

Can anybody else taste the difference between Kronenbourg and Carlsberg? Is it the hops? Or is the water that much different between France and Denmark?

[Jantar]

The water in Denmark is much better than in France. That's why SPEIGHTS is best ... South Island water is the best in the world.