Tazers

NC · 10th August 2005, 18:34

Heard on the radio this morning that the police are getting tazers to try out for a year. I think it might drop the crime , but I'm a bit worried about the 'cowboy' offiers that get a bit cocky and zap you for the fuck of it.

**riffer** · 10th August 2005, 19:20

I don't get it...

You have to get just as close with a tazer as you would with a PR24.

And I thought pepper spray was used for P'd up idiots.

Too much risk with one of these, judging by the reports I've read overseas.

Just do what they do in Aussie. A decent-sized handgun, plainly visible.

Much more of a deterrent than a tazer.

**spudchucka** · 10th August 2005, 21:26

Originally Posted by riffer

I don't get it...

You have to get just as close with a tazer as you would with a PR24.

And I thought pepper spray was used for P'd up idiots.

Too much risk with one of these, judging by the reports I've read overseas.

Just do what they do in Aussie. A decent-sized handgun, plainly visible.

Much more of a deterrent than a tazer.

Tazer range is about 6 metres. PR24 is as far as your arms reach. O/C spray has a maximum range of 3 metres and P'd up freaks barely notice the stuff. Guns are carried more than most people realise, my preference is to have a rifle available at very short notice. Glocks are great and a hell of a lot of fun to shoot on the range but nothing says "FUCK OFF" quite like a rifle up the nostril.

**Coyote** · 10th August 2005, 21:29

They don't kill, so why not. Zap the fuckers

**Storm** · 10th August 2005, 21:49

Bloody oath- if some yobbo prick is playing Mr dont come quietly, then he can take his beans like a big boy

**Soggy** · 10th August 2005, 21:59

Another one here all for them, christ you see 3 cops trying to subduce one hoon under the influence - these should come in rather handy.

Comes without saying that prohibitionary cops (ie that have served for <2 years shouldnt get to touch the things) should get to play with them but i do belive that it would be a rather effective tool for the force in general

Look at that kid that was high as a kite with a baseball bat a few years ago that the cop shot in self defense, this thing would have subdued him no probs.

my tuppence.

**Wolf** · 11th August 2005, 11:40

Originally Posted by riffer

I don't get it...

You have to get just as close with a tazer as you would with a PR24.

I think you're thinking of the hand-held tasers the US public is allowed to buy and that we see in alll the movies. They're depicted as a quick jab and the villain is down - crap! You have to hold them against the attacker's body for 4 or more seconds.

They're as much use as a banana in a real-life situation - part of Massad Ayoob's self defence training involves being zapped for the requisite four seconds with a commercial "self defence" taser then firing five rounds into a target within a short time frame. He has had no one fail this part of the training. Even after four seconds, none of his trainees have been incapable of using a firearm.

The tasers the cops will be using are the ones that fire two darts on wires - they hit the body a fair distance apart and jangle the nervous system - unlike the comercial ones that have a gap of a couple of inches between the prongs. They are a ranged weapon and quite effective from various accounts - unlike the toys that unscrupulous US companies sell for "self defence". (What? Let the public have a non-lethal weapon as powerful as the Law Enforcement agencies use? No way, let 'em buy a .50 cal Desert Eagle instead...)

I would happily take a zap from one of the commercial tasers- but not from a proper Law Enforcement one.

I'm all for the cops having a variety of non lethal weapons at their disposal and I am also for them wearing sidearms (pistols) at all times. I think our police (after their probationary period) should be armed with both lethal and non-lethal weapons and properly drilled in the use of both. This would include training on dealing with various situations with a view to promoting good decision-making processes as to which to use.

**Lou Girardin** · 11th August 2005, 12:29

Originally Posted by alarumba

They don't kill, so why not. Zap the fuckers

Wanna bet?

**bugjuice** · 11th August 2005, 12:33

all I can see is the cops in the locker rooms with a fist full of cash, stunning each other for as long as they can hold..

I say use 'em. Most of the twots that will get it are often people who can take a good buzz. It's not like it's going to be used on some elderly person with a pace maker, is it? And it's not like they don't get a warning or just appear with a tazer and do it.. They'll know it's coming

**scumdog** · 11th August 2005, 12:37

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

Wanna bet?

Hell, if you get killed by one then you just picked a bad day to be an arsehole, bad luck. Next.

Since it's unlikely to be you Lou I don't see why you worry.

**Lou Girardin** · 11th August 2005, 13:06

Originally Posted by scumdog

Hell, if you get killed by one then you just picked a bad day to be an arsehole, bad luck. Next.

Since it's unlikely to be you Lou I don't see why you worry.

Are you *gasp* saying I'm not an arsehole?
I'll have to stick to religeous slurs to get neg rep then.

**placidfemme** · 11th August 2005, 14:50

I'm fully for it... NZ (And most other countries) are way too PC, so criminals are not afraid of the law officers. Ok so it's 50,000 volts or whatever... but if your not doing anything wrong you don't have a problem do you...

Or would you rather they had guns?

**scumdog** · 11th August 2005, 14:56

Originally Posted by placidfemme

I'm fully for it... NZ (And most other countries) are way too PC, so criminals are not afraid of the law officers. Ok so it's 50,000 volts or whatever... but if your not doing anything wrong you don't have a problem do you...

Or would you rather they had guns?

We do and look at the shit-fight when they're used - the "Heshoulda" gang really goes to town then!!

**placidfemme** · 11th August 2005, 15:03

Originally Posted by scumdog

We do and look at the shit-fight when they're used - the "Heshoulda" gang really goes to town then!!

I'll take your word for it (the gun thing). I've never seen a cop with a gun in NZ, but then again when I do see cops its just in passing so I don't study them...

Like I said NZ is too PC. You reckon the cops are given shit if they actually use the guns... which again boils down to being too PC.

I don't think it's right that the criminals have more rights then the victims and the law officers. Sure you get your bad cops, but bottom line they still do their job correctly 80% of the time...

Just zap the bastards with the tazers (or shoot them however it works). Like I said if your not doing anything wrong then you won't get hurt... and chances are when they do start zapping people 99% of the "zaps" will be fully justified.

Put some fear back into the crim's is what I say... and if that requires 50,000 volts going through them... then so be it

**riffer** · 11th August 2005, 15:10

Originally Posted by Wolf

I think you're thinking of the hand-held tasers the US public is allowed to buy and that we see in alll the movies. They're depicted as a quick jab and the villain is down - crap! You have to hold them against the attacker's body for 4 or more seconds.

Yeah, those were the ones I was thinking of Wolf. I didn't know there was a difference.