Moderators - Axis of Evil or simply members?

**Krusti** · 17th November 2007, 11:34

You're telling me.....

**Jantar** · 17th November 2007, 11:36

Originally Posted by renegade master

they are a nessary evil, it would be better if they were not posters themself....

It is a general rule within the moderators' group that we don't moderate any thread that we are also an active participant in. Maybe that is why it can appear that one moderator will let something go, then a post may be moved and/or infracted by a different mod.

We are posters as well, that is why we joined the site.

**Blackbird** · 17th November 2007, 11:43

Originally Posted by MVnut

Either this IS to do with Frosty or your timing is impeccable ....IMHO

It has to do with SOME of the responses on the Frosty thread but is NOT about Frosty. It did prompt me but it was not the root cause. It's the never-ending shite that provoked it. I've personally not had any problem with other mods and the ones that I've met, I like immensely. That excepted, Jim2's post does forcefully provide an insight into what a mod has to endure. Yet we still do it because it's worthwhile.

But to give it context as I've said before, most of the members that I've spoken to as part of a thread, PM'd or met in person are truly wonderful people.

**Conquiztador** · 17th November 2007, 12:33

when I am considered worthy and asked to become Moderator.

If you think the current ones are tough, then you have seen nothing yet!!

I have soo much hatered, baggage and issues that I want to take out on you all!!!

I am spending my nights studying the contributors on here and building up a data base regarding who you are, your opinions, and your steps out of line.

So if you want to save your self from the embarrasement, humiliation and depression (and costly doctors bills) that my future un-aviodable selection to the Moderators ranks will cause, then you better start behaving now. Or suffer the consequenses.

Edited: Someone mentioned something I should have thought about: Bribes!! When the un-avoidable happens and I become a moderator, I would like you all to know that for the right amount of dineros I could be convinced to look the other way...

**moko** · 17th November 2007, 13:36

Mods do a good job that will never,ever be appreciated by most users.I've seen other bike boards disintegrate in a barrage of abuse,threats and even hacking between various factions.Pathetic I know but sometimes feelings run high and people forget "it's only words on a screen".I've had stuff removed from here,something I commented on that got me a lot of positive rep points from various people but Mods apparently thought was too sensitive at the time...that's the way it goes though and I didn't lose sleep,hit the prozac or consult my lawyer.I've seen KB go from strength to strength,that's in no small part down to a lot of effort from the people who spend their time keeping an eye on things,something they do for no gain and more likely a whole heap of shit landed on them at times that I for one couldn't be bothered with.
I use another site very regularly,mainly older hands,sensible guys with plenty of maturity and life experience.Plenty of stuff gets pulled from that site,it's nothing personal,just that the rules are the rules,sometimes guys forget and the Mod steps in,never a big deal,guy's a good bloke and takes a lot of leg-pulling.there's a definate art to being a good Mod,it can kill a site or keep it running smoothly,so far KB has out-lasted 3 other sites i used to use so someone,somewhere's doing it right.You can't please everyone but trust me guys this place ticks over very smoothly and more importantly it's still here,that dosn't "just happen" so a bit of appreciation now and again would be good.

**Mental Trousers** · 17th November 2007, 13:54

Duly noted and filed in the round, open topped filing cabinet for future reference

Originally Posted by Conquiztador

when I am considered worthy and asked to become Moderator.

If you think the current ones are tough, then you have seen nothing yet!!

I have soo much hatered, baggage and issues that I want to take out on you all!!!

I am spending my nights studying the contributors on here and building up a data base regarding who you are, your opinions, and your steps out of line.

So if you want to save your self from the embarrasement, humiliation and depression (and costly doctors bills) that my future un-aviodable selection to the Moderators ranks will cause, then you better start behaving now. Or suffer the consequenses.

**Conquiztador** · 17th November 2007, 15:01

Originally Posted by Mental-Trousers

Duly noted and filed in the round, open topped filing cabinet for future reference

That will go in your file in my data base. Not looking good there...

**Qkkid** · 17th November 2007, 15:14

Originally Posted by yungatart

I don't think of the mods as the "Axis of Evil", rather, tireless workers who put in an extraordinary amount of work behind the scenes.....with an exception or two.

However, when KB loses someone of Frosty's calibre because of stuff that happens behind the scenes, which we, the great unwashed, are not privy to, it brings in to question the moderate nature of "some" mods.
I have never seen a post of Frosty's that I would deem worthy of intervention by the mods. He is always there, putting up his hand to help, offer advice, support and equipment to any and all who ask for it.

This is one decision that I cannot get my head around...I would like to hear the other sides to this story, so I can make an informed judgement for myself, I'm sure I'm not the only one, either.

Well i think personally what Frosty did for the site in his area been allocated to him it did not need changing

So what if the moderators dont all think alike, Certain people need to realise its not my way or you choose between 2 people or the highway.Its a sad day when people go down this track for their own means, thats what makes us New Zealanders and unique as kiwis.I will tell you the other side Janet pm your mobile number and i will get back to you.

**El Dopa** · 17th November 2007, 18:00

Originally Posted by yungatart

I don't think of the mods as the "Axis of Evil", rather, tireless workers who put in an extraordinary amount of work behind the scenes.....with an exception or two.

However, when KB loses someone of Frosty's calibre because of stuff that happens behind the scenes, which we, the great unwashed, are not privy to, it brings in to question the moderate nature of "some" mods.
I have never seen a post of Frosty's that I would deem worthy of intervention by the mods. He is always there, putting up his hand to help, offer advice, support and equipment to any and all who ask for it.

This is one decision that I cannot get my head around...I would like to hear the other sides to this story, so I can make an informed judgement for myself, I'm sure I'm not the only one, either.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

Originally Posted by Jim2

Being a Mod on KB is horrible. On one hand you have a bunch of rules to enforce, some of which you may not agree with, on the other you've got 20-25% of the membership who automatically mistrust anyone who says anything at all to moderate their behaviour and about 5% that go on vendetta. Most of you never see any of it which is as it should be. Then you have a clique of Mods who know each other's lives inside out who pounce on anyone, mod included, who might cross an invisible line that they weren't warned about.

For a social networking site this place is just too hard to like. Any effort you put into doing anything for anyone or anything is usually dismissed as being not enough by a bunch of lazy, slavering, rabid geeks wedded to their keyboards. Mods volunteer their time for fuck's sake! How about instead of just constant draining criticism you get off your arse and do something for other motorcyclists and stop spending your bile and ridicule on people who probably have better things to do anyway! Why is it that enthusiastic volunteers always end up crushed and dispirited? I'll tell you - People Suck.

Again, I agree 100%. BUT. As I said in the other thread, it seems that some mods are suffering not so much from siege mentality as siege insanity.

I am very reluctant to bag the mods, for all the reasons you mention and more. But some of the decisions that are being made are making KB not a 'fun' place any more.

**Clivoris** · 17th November 2007, 18:57

Mmm. I haven't been hanging around on here for that long but have noticed a change in the culture over that time. More experienced friends of mine have told me that this is the way of things on the interweb.
I have been bemused by some of the mods decisions that I have noticed. Such as piss-taking between people who obviously know each other and are up for it being removed, or posts that may be tangential to the topic, but bloody funny being binned. I would figure that if they aren't derailing the thread or causing problems for the thread starter, leave them in. Some threads could do with lightening up. I also suspect that there is much that goes on behind the scenes that I don't notice at all, that keeps this place ticking over.
However, on the balance I think they do a good job of making this an ok place to hang out. Some of the fun seems to have gone, but if that's what it takes to stop the personal abuse and offensive posts, then so be it. As someone in old blighty pointed out above, this site has some legs and is likely to last the distance. It's a bit like tv. Watch the stuff you want, ignore the crap and don't forget that websites are to life what masturbation is to sex.
I'm thankful to the mods for doing what they do. I might not like how some of the rules are enforced (and there is always a subjective element) but I know what they are and try to abide by them. I'm also getting better at not being so reactive to some of crap what gets flung. I might not agree with some people's perspectives but have to accept that they are entitled to them and give them kudos for having the courage to express them.

**MotoGirl** · 17th November 2007, 19:06

I'd love for one of the mods to post his or her timetable and show everyone how much time they spend doing mod-related activities.

From what I've seen (via being married to a senior mod), they seem to start first thing in the morning, moderate all day (even when working), and go long into the night. When shit hits the fan, they're expected to jump online ASAP and discuss the best action to take. Should the lucky mod be absent from a computer, they receive text messages asking them to get online and pitch in.

Anyone baging the mods must be highly ignorant. Once you're a mod, you're a mod 24/7. Because of the commitment to KB it doesn't surprise me that they might give harsh punishments at times. I suspect every member would react the same way if they'd been dealing with such trivial crap and people's bitching. Get the fuck over it.

**McDuck** · 17th November 2007, 20:43

All power to the mods, i am quite happy to let them do the work that they need to do. The fact is there are a few pains in the arss that are out to be a pain in the arss and there are a few people that just did not read the site rules before posting (me). So i will let them have the space to do what they need to do and when i question it, i do it with a

(in a non gay way)(if it is a bloke mod)

**Skyryder** · 17th November 2007, 22:48

If you are going to have rules there will always be some who will break them. So if that pisses some off then the answer is to have no rules. Makes sense to me. Why am I the only one??

Skyryder