Moderators - Axis of Evil or simply members?

**Blackbird** · 17th November 2007, 10:16

The posts on the Frosty thread and others reinforces that the members of Kiwi Biker are a genuine cross-section of society. Most members are fabulous – funny, positive, thoughtful, ever-willing to help those who need a helping hand. I met a number of my riding partners through Kiwi Biker and I absolutely treasure their company. However, there are a small percentage of members who are venal, abusive or make no worthwhile contribution to the site whatsoever; you’ve got to wonder why they stay on the site and what they get out of it. The glass is always half empty rather than half full. Using the “but this is the internet” excuse for poor behaviour is immature and lazy. Courtesy isn’t limited to face to face conversations.

The reason I bring this up is in the context of the on-going attacks on moderators by the relatively few. Given the tripe that that to be put up with on a daily basis, it’s little wonder that we can be seen as a bit authoritarian on occasions. Those who are members of other bike websites around the world would agree that KB has a very relaxed attitude to what gets posted in comparison with most sites, despite what some might think. Despite one or two members trying to portray mods as some omnipotent Axis of Evil, we’re bikers and members of KB first and foremost who are doing their level best to keep the site as a place to be enjoyed and valued. The amount of work that goes on behind the scenes takes a huge amount of time. I guess that what I’m trying to say is that if anyone feels motiviated to have a crack at the mods, have a good hard look at how your own behaviours affect the tone of the site too.

That’s all……. Mrs B and I off to see our first grandchild in Melbourne in a few hours. That puts the trials and tribulations of KB into its proper perspective!

**NZsarge** · 17th November 2007, 10:20

Congratulations on the grandchild

**yungatart** · 17th November 2007, 10:25

I don't think of the mods as the "Axis of Evil", rather, tireless workers who put in an extraordinary amount of work behind the scenes.....with an exception or two.

However, when KB loses someone of Frosty's calibre because of stuff that happens behind the scenes, which we, the great unwashed, are not privy to, it brings in to question the moderate nature of "some" mods.
I have never seen a post of Frosty's that I would deem worthy of intervention by the mods. He is always there, putting up his hand to help, offer advice, support and equipment to any and all who ask for it.

This is one decision that I cannot get my head around...I would like to hear the other sides to this story, so I can make an informed judgement for myself, I'm sure I'm not the only one, either.

**Stickchick** · 17th November 2007, 10:27

Originally Posted by yungatart

I don't think of the mods as the "Axis of Evil", rather, tireless workers who put in an extraordinary amount of work behind the scenes.....with an exception or two.

However, when KB loses someone of Frosty's calibre because of stuff that happens behind the scenes, which we, the great unwashed, are not privy to, it brings in to question the moderate nature of "some" mods.
I have never seen a post of Frosty's that I would deem worthy of intervention by the mods. He is always there, putting up his hand to help, offer advice, support and equipment to any and all who ask for it.

This is one decision that I cannot get my head around...I would like to hear the other sides to this story, so I can make an informed judgement for myself, I'm sure I'm not the only one, either.

+1............

**The Pastor** · 17th November 2007, 10:29

they are a nessary evil, it would be better if they were not posters themself.

my only gripe with them is, they take every thing (except from there mates) too serrriouly. lighten up lol

**Blackbird** · 17th November 2007, 10:31

I'm sorry, should have explained better. This has nothing to do with Frosty as such. It has everything to do with the behaviours of some members and the impact on the site.

**MVnut** · 17th November 2007, 10:31

Some people are good with authority, others aren't

**rainman** · 17th November 2007, 10:41

Originally Posted by yungatart

I don't think of the mods as the "Axis of Evil", rather, tireless workers who put in an extraordinary amount of work behind the scenes.....with an exception or two.

However, when KB loses someone of Frosty's calibre because of stuff that happens behind the scenes, which we, the great unwashed, are not privy to, it brings in to question the moderate nature of "some" mods.
I have never seen a post of Frosty's that I would deem worthy of intervention by the mods. He is always there, putting up his hand to help, offer advice, support and equipment to any and all who ask for it.

This is one decision that I cannot get my head around...I would like to hear the other sides to this story, so I can make an informed judgement for myself, I'm sure I'm not the only one, either.

+ another 1

**MVnut** · 17th November 2007, 10:46

Originally Posted by Blackbird

I'm sorry, should have explained better. This has nothing to do with Frosty as such. It has everything to do with the behaviours of some members and the impact on the site.

Either this IS to do with Frosty or your timing is impeccable ....IMHO

**deanohit** · 17th November 2007, 10:50

Well said Black bird!

Personally, I've never had a problem with the mods, always got on with them fine in fact.
They do put up with shit they shouldn't have to as I reckon they're pretty lenient.

If you think the Kiwibiker mods are strict, try Rimfirecentral.com, try posting something off topic there, I got infracted for saying one of my rifles 'looks like shit', now those guys are heavy handed.

**Headbanger** · 17th November 2007, 11:00

Being an observant type of chap, I have no idea who the mods even are, or what they get up to.

Which is fine by me.

But, Like all forums, If its causing them stress, then retire.

**James Deuce** · 17th November 2007, 11:03

Being a Mod on KB is horrible. On one hand you have a bunch of rules to enforce, some of which you may not agree with, on the other you've got 20-25% of the membership who automatically mistrust anyone who says anything at all to moderate their behaviour and about 5% that go on vendetta. Most of you never see any of it which is as it should be. Then you have a clique of Mods who know each other's lives inside out who pounce on anyone, mod included, who might cross an invisible line that they weren't warned about.

For a social networking site this place is just too hard to like. Any effort you put into doing anything for anyone or anything is usually dismissed as being not enough by a bunch of lazy, slavering, rabid geeks wedded to their keyboards. Mods volunteer their time for fuck's sake! How about instead of just constant draining criticism you get off your arse and do something for other motorcyclists and stop spending your bile and ridicule on people who probably have better things to do anyway! Why is it that enthusiastic volunteers always end up crushed and dispirited? I'll tell you - People Suck.

**Grahameeboy** · 17th November 2007, 11:25

Originally Posted by Jim2

Being a Mod on KB is horrible. On one hand you have a bunch of rules to enforce, some of which you may not agree with, on the other you've got 20-25% of the membership who automatically mistrust anyone who says anything at all to moderate their behaviour and about 5% that go on vendetta. Most of you never see any of it which is as it should be. Then you have a clique of Mods who know each other's lives inside out who pounce on anyone, mod included, who might cross an invisible line that they weren't warned about.

For a social networking site this place is just too hard to like. Any effort you put into doing anything for anyone or anything is usually dismissed as being not enough by a bunch of lazy, slavering, rabid geeks wedded to their keyboards. Mods volunteer their time for fuck's sake! How about instead of just constant draining criticism you get off your arse and do something for other motorcyclists and stop spending your bile and ridicule on people who probably have better things to do anyway! Why is it that enthusiastic volunteers always end up crushed and dispirited? I'll tell you - People Suck.

+++1........................