Learner LIcence and the fun penalties

**DarkDream** · 28th October 2004, 10:50

Right after ten long years of the stunning learner licence I have decided to pursue the elusive restricted.

Just a few points to note for those on the learners, which I have (hmm) adhered to

No pillion passengers
only 70km's on the open road or motorway
must have L-plate on the back

Now if you exceed speed limit by 50km's it's a $630 fine, so if you do 121km's you get your licence taken off you etc.

No L-Plate, driving during 10pm and 5amis something like $400 and 25 demerit points.

This is insane? But the good part is still to come...once you get your restricted your exactly that.....restricted!!!

For anyone who rides a on the KB rides, perhaps previewing this link will be a bit of shock!

http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/licensing/mo...html#penalties

Oh yeah and the cost is a great $88!!! Fun stuff....

**Hitcher** · 28th October 2004, 11:28

And your point exactly is??

Check out the Competency-based full class 6 license programme so that you can minimise your restricted period -- if you're over 25 and you can afford it/be bothered.

NC · 28th October 2004, 11:33

I think it's unfair, cause you get those kids on a restricted car licence and they have cars with frikken 500BHP and know idea how to friggen drive the things.
I think they should have the same rule applyed to cage drivers

**StoneChucker** · 28th October 2004, 11:36

Hitcher is on to it, and luckily so was I. The CBTA (competency based) is a great course, I only did the final stage, but was well worth it. A little expensive, but good.

Oh yeah, the chance of you being pulled over is directly proportional to how much you're doing wrong. I never got pulled over, not even once on my 250. But, that was because I never did anything wrong

Have no Wof, no rego, out past 10pm, speeding, carrying a pillion, riding bigger than a 250??? You're gonna get caught at the end of your driveway!

**k14** · 28th October 2004, 11:42

Yeah, don't quite see what you are getting at. I knew all the restrictions when I had my learners, and know them all now that I am on my restricted. The only restrictions I have broken occastionally is the 10pm curfew, I've ridden later than that a couple of times. Oh and on sunday, I "accidentally" broke the 250cc restriction

NC · 28th October 2004, 11:45

Originally Posted by StoneChucker

Have no Wof, no rego, out past 10pm, speeding, carrying a pillion, riding bigger than a 250??? You're gonna get caught at the end of your driveway!

I beg to differ, Sir.

**dhunt** · 28th October 2004, 11:49

One of my mates theories was "try and break only one law at a time" that way you're less likely to get pulled up. Eg. Riding after 10 on Learners - then don't speed. ...

**gamgee** · 28th October 2004, 11:51

oops, um, I've only had a bike for a few weeks (had my full car licence for about 3 years) and I've already broken most of the conditions - lol, here we go
No L plates
Over 70kmh (come on... I had to test the bike to check it could get up to 110)
after 10pm
what else, um the only ones I haven't broken are over 250cc (mainly cause dad hasn't got his cb500 yet) and the pillion passengers one, if i wanted to take passengers i'd probably take the car...

**DarkDream** · 28th October 2004, 11:51

Originally Posted by k14

Yeah, don't quite see what you are getting at. I knew all the restrictions when I had my learners, and know them all now that I am on my restricted. The only restrictions I have broken occastionally is the 10pm curfew, I've ridden later than that a couple of times. Oh and on sunday, I "accidentally" broke the 250cc restriction

Not so much of a point as a rant, obviously completly unaware as I've been sitting on the licence for sooooooooo long. Besides I figured its a good hihglight it for other learner riders.

Hit restricted in a couple of weeks and then will more than likely look into the CBTA compentency course for full licence.

Any views on this course, from people who have already tried it. Did it improve your awareness and riding ability?

**Hitcher** · 28th October 2004, 11:58

Originally Posted by DarkDream

Any views on this course, from people who have already tried it. Did it improve your awareness and riding ability?

Yes and yes. We did ours in Wellington almost exactly a year ago with Andrew and Lynne Templeton from Roadsafe. Highly recommended!

In fact I'm on the prowl for another advanced skills course as a way of keeping the ol' axe sharp, if anybody has any recommendations?

**Posh Tourer :P** · 28th October 2004, 12:06

Originally Posted by DarkDream

Not so much of a point as a rant, obviously completly unaware as I've been sitting on the licence for sooooooooo long. Besides I figured its a good hihglight it for other learner riders.

Wha??

You didnt realise what your restrictions were? or you didnt realise how much it costs to get a licence? Or you didnt realise there was another stage?

For cost, try going to Germany - $2000 to get a licence (when you are old enough (18??) and its a comprehensive, week-long or so test....

**Warren** · 28th October 2004, 12:48

The rules for restricted are almost the same for the lerners. You have to wait 9 months (?) after getting your restricted to get your full.

I would get a restricted if I wanted a bigger bike and restricted allowed up to 400cc or something, but the terms are the same as the learners.

Since it is such a long wait there has never been an incentive for me to advance to the restricted license.

**gamgee** · 28th October 2004, 13:23

your still only supposed to ride a 250 on your restricted, only difference is you won't get in trouble for not sporting those stylish L(oser) plates

**rodgerd** · 28th October 2004, 13:53

Originally Posted by NC30_chick

I think it's unfair, cause you get those kids on a restricted car licence and they have cars with frikken 500BHP and know idea how to friggen drive the things.
I think they should have the same rule applyed to cage drivers

I think it's a sensible set of rstrictions, but you're right that it's stupid that people on a learner/restricted car can drive an Impreza STi or a Landcruiser.

**Ms Piggy** · 28th October 2004, 14:10

Originally Posted by gamgee

your still only supposed to ride a 250 on your restricted, only difference is you won't get in trouble for not sporting those stylish L(oser) plates

I don't see really what the BIG drama is about wearing an L plate. I'd much rather wear one than end up with a HUGE fine for that & speeding.

I ride with my L plate (ok, ok so a couple of times it's ahhh, well, errr...."fallen off") but these rules are there for a reason, not everyone that gets their Learners License has been riding bikes for years on end - I am an example of that.

I've had my Learners for almost 11 months now and plan on getting my restricted in my summer break when I have the $88-

I've never adherred to the 70kms/hr rule b/c (IMO) it's just dangerous but, again it is there for a reason - I have ridden with a Learner rider friend a couple of times at 70kms and it was more scary to have cars whistling by me at 80+kms than riding at 100kms like the rest of the traffic. I've also ridden at 100kms/hr and passed other vehicles with cops behind me and my L plate on. Haven't been pulled over yet.

There needs to be 1 set of rules for all and I'm guessing the LTSA need to look at the worse case scenario i.e. someone who has never ridden a bike apart from a few hours before they go and sit their Basic Handling Skills test.