Learner LIcence and the fun penalties

[Blakamin]

There needs to be 1 set of rules for all and I'm guessing the LTSA need to look at the worse case scenario i.e. someone who has never ridden a bike apart from a few hours before they go and sit their Basic Handling Skills test.

I think it sux that after riding for years, my oz licence expired and i had to start again, with people that hadnt been on a bike an hour before doing their BHS test... I just hope none of them die!

[gamgee]

ya, only difference with me is, I had been ridding a bike for what about a year and a half before I got my learners, and I have had my car licence for about 3 years, so I'm pretty confident on the road, and as you say, it's probably more dangerous driving at 70 on the open road than 100

[toads]

the whole licence thing bugs me immensely, Pete holds every class of licence except bus and taxi but only has his learners bike licence, he did have his bike licence years ago but stupidly let it lapse ( back in the days when ya had them tickets you put in your licence book), anyway, he is now got a huge wait till he can ride the cc bike of his choice legally. hopefully sometime within the next month he'll go sit his restricted and then after that we have a 12month wait till he can sit his full, just madness, me on the other hand have had my full licence for 24years, which doesn't mean I've been riding bikes for that long. The licence thing should be based on merit in cases where someone holds a car licence and several other licences for over 25years.

[mini_me]

the whole licence thing bugs me immensely, Pete holds every class of licence except bus and taxi but only has his learners bike licence, he did have his bike licence years ago but stupidly let it lapse ( back in the days when ya had them tickets you put in your licence book), anyway, he is now got a huge wait till he can ride the cc bike of his choice legally. hopefully sometime within the next month he'll go sit his restricted and then after that we have a 12month wait till he can sit his full, just madness, me on the other hand have had my full licence for 24years, which doesn't mean I've been riding bikes for that long. The licence thing should be based on merit in cases where someone holds a car licence and several other licences for over 25years.

I dont know how old Pete is but are you aware that if you are over 26 then you go straight from your learners to your full and only after 6 months (which can become 3 with a defensive driving course)
**I think...cant be fagged looking it up in the road code atm

[Ms Piggy]

ya, only difference with me is, I had been ridding a bike for what about a year and a half before I got my learners, and I have had my car licence for about 3 years, so I'm pretty confident on the road, and as you say, it's probably more dangerous driving at 70 on the open road than 100

Well Gamgee I've had my drivers license I was 16 (I'm now 30 mumble. mumble) and had my HT & Heavey Wheels and Rollers since I was in my 20's. I'm still learning stuff about the roads.

[Stinger]

I dont know how old Pete is but are you aware that if you are over 26 then you go straight from your learners to your full and only after 6 months (which can become 3 with a defensive driving course)
**I think...cant be fagged looking it up in the road code atm

Or if you go the CBTA way then there is no waiting period (well, about 4 weeks, because that's how long it takes to process the paperwork etc). The only disadvantage is that it is quite expensive.

[Artifice]

what is this cbta that ye mentions arrrrrr.
I alllready have my full liscence but... i'd be up for some advanced training/survival course. have you got a linky to thier webspace propaganda?

[カワサキキド]

what is this cbta that ye mentions arrrrrr.
I alllready have my full liscence but... i'd be up for some advanced training/survival course. have you got a linky to thier webspace propaganda?

www.driveschool.co.nz

I got my Basic Handling skills there and have just done the learners to restricted Competency Based Training Assement Course with them, Mike used to race bikes and is a top guy, highly recomended.

I will do my restriced to full C.B.T.A. course with them in 9 months, already booked!

[カワサキキド]

In Japan you can ride up to a 400cc on you learners.
In England I think its only up to 125cc.

[Bob]

In Japan you can ride up to a 400cc on you learners.
In England I think its only up to 125cc.

Correct. 125cc maximum (14.5bhp) - AND ONLY HAVE TWO YEARS TO PASS YOUR FULL TEST! If you don't pass in that time, you lose your provisional licence and cannot reapply for 12 months.

On top of that... when you first get your provisional licence, you are not allowed on the road without a CBT (Compulsory Basic Training) certificate - this is basic machine control and a supervised ride on the road to ensure you are confident.

Then, as I said, you have two years to pass both a theory (40 minutes to answer 20 questions on road signs, machine knowledge, road ettiquette and rules etc, plus a computer-generated observation skills test) and a practical test (which comprises of not less than 40 minutes observed ride, demonstration of a series of "Show me/tell me" skills about bike setup and demonstration of ability to do a u-turn, push bike, emergency stop etc).

When you do that, you are then restricted to 33bhp for two years, unless you pay out a whole bundle of money to take Direct Access, which has to be done on a machine of 47bhp (and you're not allowed out unsupervised).

One more thing... not sure about during the pre full licence years, but I am pretty sure that for the first year after passing your test, you are only allowed 50% of the usual penalty points (you guys call them 'demerits'?) before you lose your licence.

It always fascinates me when I hear you talking about "I've been on a restricted licence since birth so I thought it might be nice to get a full one"!

Boy oh boy, would you HATE what we have to go through!

[SPORK]

Isn't that just cruel and unusual punishment? Should someone call the Geneva Convention?

Honestly though, cars are far more capable of killing people, so why not the fagorty rules for them?

[toads]

Or if you go the CBTA way then there is no waiting period (well, about 4 weeks, because that's how long it takes to process the paperwork etc). The only disadvantage is that it is quite expensive.

well that's not what the land transport ppl tell me, he has to do the whole thing, although he can get the restricted period reduced to three months if he does an approved course, so we might look at that, still it does suck, and yes he is way over 26 lol

[rodgerd]

the whole licence thing bugs me immensely, Pete holds every class of licence except bus and taxi but only has his learners bike licence, he did have his bike licence years ago but stupidly let it lapse ( back in the days when ya had them tickets you put in your licence book), anyway, he is now got a huge wait till he can ride the cc bike of his choice legally. hopefully sometime within the next month he'll go sit his restricted and then after that we have a 12month wait till he can sit his full, just madness, me on the other hand have had my full licence for 24years, which doesn't mean I've been riding bikes for that long. The licence thing should be based on merit in cases where someone holds a car licence and several other licences for over 25years.

1/ No sympathy on the license lapse. UIOLI.

2/ Bikes are hugely different beasts from cars. Managing the brakes alone is an art.

3/ You are aware of the CBTA courses, right? Perhaps a little research would be in order before grizzling about "the system."

[rodgerd]

I dont know how old Pete is but are you aware that if you are over 26 then you go straight from your learners to your full and only after 6 months (which can become 3 with a defensive driving course)
**I think...cant be fagged looking it up in the road code atm

Wrong. It was that way when graduated licenses were first introduced, but it hasn't been that wy for years.

[Stinger]

well that's not what the land transport ppl tell me, he has to do the whole thing, although he can get the restricted period reduced to three months if he does an approved course, so we might look at that, still it does suck, and yes he is way over 26 lol

Don't talk to the ltsa they don't know squat. O.k, Like I said there is no waiting period between learners and restricted at all or between restricted and full. Provided you do the cbta Motobunny got her learners then two months later did the restricted, and one month is booked for the full.

http://www.passrite.co.nz/cyclesintermediate.htm

at the bottom of the page

"Over 25's
If the applicant is over 25 years of age then the applicant has no time restriction between licence stages. The applicant may also apply for an exemption to use a bike larger than 250cc."



You do need a clean driving record though.