Learner LIcence and the fun penalties

[rodgerd]

Don't talk to the ltsa they don't know squat.

It's worse than that. I'm told by people involved in the CBTA that various groups in the AA and LTSA were so opposed to the trials they refused to tell people about it, threw out the publicity materials, and flat out denied it existed. Twats.

You do need a clean driving record though.

For varying values of clean. I had a speeding ticket and did it. Mind you, the ticket was 12 years ago at that point 8).

[Warren]

Since the restrictions for the learners and restricted licenses the same. I think it would be better if they removed the restricted licence (learners -> then full) and made the full test harder/longer.

[カワサキキド]

The CBTA Motorcyle Trial looks at your infringement history and keeps an I on you to see if the courses actually reduce your number of infringements.

So you if you have a bad history in theory it shouldn't matter,you just have to not recieve any serious infringements between the time you apply and do the course, and a time after as they may revoke your licence.

Mike, whom I did the course with, told us that one of his students got his full licence even though he got a speeding ticket during the 9 month waiting period from restricted to full. He was lucky he guesses.

[Stinger]

The CBTA Motorcyle Trial looks at your infringement history and keeps an I on you to see if the courses actually reduce your number of infringements.

So you if you have a bad history in theory it shouldn't matter,you just have to not recieve any serious infringements between the time you apply and do the course, and a time after as they may revoke your licence.

I was told about someone being rejected for the course because of speeding tickets, so they had to plead to be let into the course. They got a ticket prior to doing the course, were accepted to do the course. But were declined to automatically receive the actual licence.

[Stinger]

It's worse than that. I'm told by people involved in the CBTA that various groups in the AA and LTSA were so opposed to the trials they refused to tell people about it, threw out the publicity materials, and flat out denied it existed. Twats.

I guess that it pretty well makes those guys redundant if the cbta becomes the norm. About time too ! about 8 years ago I went for my restricted licence. The guy was an ex traffic cop, he took me down a really really narrow caldersack and wanted me to do two figure 8's in it. I couldn't do it without touching the kerb or putting my foot down, so I failed. I took my bike back there later and tried to "walk" my bike in figure 8's but I couldn't do. I had the same bike that I have now, a TZR. The steering lock just wasn't good enough, but the guy just wouldn't listen to it, he reckoned he could have done it on his old patrol bike so why couldn't I do it on my bike... maybe if I threw down some diesel and slid the bike round it would have been possible...

[Blakamin]

The guy was an ex traffic cop, he took me down a really really narrow caldersack and wanted me to do two figure 8's in it. I couldn't do it without touching the kerb or putting my foot down, so I failed. I took my bike back there later and tried to "walk" my bike in figure 8's but I couldn't do. I had the same bike that I have now, a TZR. The steering lock just wasn't good enough, but the guy just wouldn't listen to it, he reckoned he could have done it on his old patrol bike so why couldn't I do it on my bike... maybe if I threw down some diesel and slid the bike round it would have been possible...

Love to see the idiot try and do it on a ducati!....
turning circle of a cage if you're goin g slow!

[Ms Piggy]

The guy was an ex traffic cop, he took me down a really really narrow caldersack and wanted me to do two figure 8's in it. I couldn't do it without touching the kerb or putting my foot down, so I failed. I took my bike back there later and tried to "walk" my bike in figure 8's but I couldn't do. I had the same bike that I have now, a TZR. The steering lock just wasn't good enough, but the guy just wouldn't listen to it, he reckoned he could have done it on his old patrol bike so why couldn't I do it on my bike... maybe if I threw down some diesel and slid the bike round it would have been possible...

You should've complained.

[Stinger]

You should've complained.

Yup, you're right. But, at the time I guess I didn't know who to complain to. Anyway, I have my licence now so it's all good.

[toads]

1/ No sympathy on the license lapse. UIOLI.

2/ Bikes are hugely different beasts from cars. Managing the brakes alone is an art.

3/ You are aware of the CBTA courses, right? Perhaps a little research would be in order before grizzling about "the system."

1) wasn't wanting or expecting anyone's sympathy on this matter.

2) I think we are aware of the differences between bikes and cars, Pete has had years of experience riding bikes already!, certainly not a novice rider.

3)Of course I am aware of the CBTA courses, we live in Gisborne which makes such things very expensive and courses are unavailable until there are sufficient people are booked in to do the course, outwaying the benefits of doing such a course. As the course can take longer to wait for than the licence restriction would.

[dveus]

Since the restrictions for the learners and restricted licenses the same. I think it would be better if they removed the restricted licence (learners -> then full) and made the full test harder/longer.

But then it would be one less way for the LTSA to take our money

[Zapf]

Not so much of a point as a rant, obviously completly unaware as I've been sitting on the licence for sooooooooo long. Besides I figured its a good hihglight it for other learner riders.

Hit restricted in a couple of weeks and then will more than likely look into the CBTA compentency course for full licence.

Any views on this course, from people who have already tried it. Did it improve your awareness and riding ability?

No... its crap. (Auckland CBTA anyway) Its just a way to get your licenses. The BRONZ course gives u the best training.

[rodgerd]

Since the restrictions for the learners and restricted licenses the same. I think it would be better if they removed the restricted licence (learners -> then full) and made the full test harder/longer.

They aren't. A learner is restricted to 70 km/h.

No fucking wonder so many people on this site bitch about getting tickets. Hald of us don't even fucking read the laws that apply to the license, it appears...

[rodgerd]

No... its crap. (Auckland CBTA anyway) Its just a way to get your licenses. The BRONZ course gives u the best training.

Different experience, obviously. The CBTA courses I did were bloody good (through Roadsafe in Wellington).

[Stinger]

No... its crap. (Auckland CBTA anyway) Its just a way to get your licenses. The BRONZ course gives u the best training.

I thought the Auckland CBTA thing was pretty good

[Lee Rusty]

your pissed off because you didnt get your restricted years ago .
IT aint anyones fault but yours.

The price of lazyness is that cost go up, tests get harder, more restrictions are imposed.

it is never going to be easier than now to get a licence - whatever class - this is the Government and LTSA we are talking about. price will continue to rise and tests will only ever get harder.

DOnt take 10 years to go from restricted to full.

Learn from your experiance this time