Dial 111 and get...........lies!

[Lou Girardin]

The Police Northern comms center has done it again. This time it has a personal effect for me. A farmer was attacked near Te Puke, his wife, Maggie, was a friend and workmate of mine when I lived down that way. It appears that she called 111 when he was being assaulted, the operator told her the farm was surrounded at 6.30AM, in fact the cops didn't arrive till 7.05. In the meantime they held the line open which meant she couldn't call neighbours for help and had to listen to her husband and step-son being attacked.
Aside from the fact that the Te Puke Police station was closed, no-one expects the Police to get there from Rotorua instantly. But why lie to her?
And why prevent her from calling others for help?
Most rural dwellers now know that they can't rely on the Police and have to protect themselves and are prepared to do so.
It's pure luck that Peter and his son aren't dead
It's time for a major clean out of the Police, starting at the top, the so-called 'managers' who are no more than politicised lackeys of the Government.

[sAsLEX]

They are going to be hard pressed stopping people taking the law in to their own hands soon. Why bother with the police, defend yourself by whatever means possible and just dump the bodies out the back of the farm!

[soundbeltfarm]

im on a farm, we all have guns for vermin and nowadays i see intruders as vermin.
if it came to the crunch i reckon i'd use the nessary force to protect my family.
but if some wanker was stealing my gear im not sure what i'd do.
its insured i guess.
hope i dont find out.
ive been burgled before,
at the old farm i was on.\
found out it was a local and i knew someone that knew someone who could sort it out.
and it was sorted.
farmers are easy targets if they arnt living close by their property.

[NC]

You love bagging the police, don't you?

[NC]

I was just wondering, did you talk to Maggie today to hear her whole story? Or did you just read what was in the Herald? Cause we all know what the media is like....

[Posh Tourer :P]

Arent they liable if they allow her to phone her neighbours and they get injured?

[Kickaha]

I was just wondering, did you talk to Maggie today to hear her whole story? Or did you just read what was in the Herald? Cause we all know what the media is like....

Wouldn't matter where he got it he comes across as one of lifes whingers who has made the police his target

Unfortunately like a lot of people Lou will only ever pick out the stuff that serves to further his agenda of putting down the police and will conveniently forget about all the times they get it right

I take it you can prove the accusation that they lied with solid evidence you yourself have gathered,rather than just secondhand evidence from the paper etc

[Hitcher]

Be very careful taking "the law into your own hands".

"Reasonable force" is one thing. Murder is quite another.

Also unless you're trained to attack other people you may end up getting yourself and your family into more trouble then you had intended.

Putting your life on the line to protect property is foolish.

[soundbeltfarm]

Be very careful taking "the law into your own hands".

"Reasonable force" is one thing. Murder is quite another.

Also unless you're trained to attack other people you may end up getting yourself and your family into more trouble then you had intended.

Putting your life on the line to protect property is foolish.

i agree with the property part. you can always get another car or whatnot.
with insurance.

[Paul in NZ]

The Police Northern comms center has done it again. This time it has a personal effect for me. A farmer was attacked near Te Puke, his wife, Maggie, was a friend and workmate of mine when I lived down that way. It appears that she called 111 when he was being assaulted, the operator told her the farm was surrounded at 6.30AM, in fact the cops didn't arrive till 7.05. In the meantime they held the line open which meant she couldn't call neighbours for help and had to listen to her husband and step-son being attacked.
Aside from the fact that the Te Puke Police station was closed, no-one expects the Police to get there from Rotorua instantly. But why lie to her?
And why prevent her from calling others for help?
Most rural dwellers now know that they can't rely on the Police and have to protect themselves and are prepared to do so.
It's pure luck that Peter and his son aren't dead
It's time for a major clean out of the Police, starting at the top, the so-called 'managers' who are no more than politicised lackeys of the Government.

Lou, I'm going to kinda agree with you on a couple of things here.

(inset clunk sound of Lous jaw hitting the ground and several peole muttering in disbelief the Paul N (the Arsehole) has gone over to the dark side)

The 111 system we have (not the Police OK) is a throw back to the dark ages (I built half it) and needs a serious upgrade and overhaul. Starting from how it is funded! Solve that, and every thing else become easier!

I propose a surcharge on every phone bill and a new system run independantly of telecom by the Police BUT funded by every phone, including cellphones!!!!!

Historically, the operator is required to keep the person on the line (insert a bunch of reasons here) for legal reasons that go back a long way. i agree it's a bit daft but consider this objectively, if a firearm incident is going on, is it really wise to get untrained people involved?

Yes, this whole thing was a fuck up for the people involved but lets not shift the focus too much onto the Police. Lets catch the bastards that did it and waste em!

But I agree.... Lets get the 111 system sorted. It might be me in a ditch next!

Paul N

[wari]

GREat ... anutter sir-charge ....

WHy nott just use someoffthe™ $7.4 BIllion sir-pluss ???

I SAy issue all farmerrs with gatling gunns and APV's ...

ALLowem to forme VIG-ill-ante groups ...

MAkem sherriffs and dep-u-ties ...

HEyit worked in the west ...

I SAy hangem high ...

[Fluffy Cat]

I was a cop back in the early 90,s in the UK.There was a home office requirement for response to a 999 call can't remember the time but it was something like 10/15 mins,I know we had more officers but we still had to respond.One question,if the law is an ass and we the people are unable to change our justice system.What do you do?.The law is out of most peoples hands as old Winston Peters showed recently.I don't quite understand reasonable force, the idea of reasonable force comes with hindsight.Something you have after the confrontation not during it i.e home invasion you go in with maximum force to protect your family and yes your property(not everyone has the luxury of insurance)because you can't mind read(Oh were just going to take the cd player and be nice if the owner shows up are we not).
I would like to think every thing was fine but NZ has some probs with the justice system and the Police are caught up in it.

[StoneChucker]

When I was living in Kilbirnie, near wellington airport, one night some guy (in a red top) ran past the front of our house, and threw a rock through the next door shop window. So, I look out our side window (where I see him and the red top), and he stupidly comes back for a second attempt (since the shop had put in reinforced glass, from having the window smashed twice before).

I call the cops, using 111, and give the story and description. LESS than 2 mins later, there are 3 police cars outside my house, one a dog unit (delta I think is the correct name, go Highway patrol and Police 10-7 ). The cops call back 5 mins later and say thanks, we caught the guy and he's been arrested.

I think that is amazing service, and response. Count yourselves lucky people, in South Africa, there have been times I've called the police, and they've never even come, not even called to say they weren't coming...
Back to NZ, there have been a couple of stories lately where the police may have gotten it wrong (only 1 which they admit was their fault). Thats a pretty damn good record for the amount of calls they get, and deal with.

I say stop moaning, and get on with it. I know that I'd be really pissed off, even upset, if when I messed up something at work, everyone went ballistic and slagged me off, especially in the media (websites are media too). Now, I know people say things in haste, which they may regret later (me for example, another story from a while back), but I've learnt from that, and now am alot more careful with what I say/write.

"Why can't we all just, get along"

[scumdog]

You just don't get it do you stonechucker? - you're not meant to make so much sense on this site, you are meant to rant'n'rave full of emotion and empty of sense, get hold of Lou and he'll put you right as to what is expected and how to get the 'facts'

[manuboy]

Anyone on this site connected with the media in any way? Or with how they're "TRAINED"? Cos i'm absolutely positive that they're more sensationalist these days than news-worthy.

Theyre also majorly into copycat reporting. A while ago, any dog that snapped it's jaws at a passing fly was Big News. How long since we heard a dog bite story? Has nobody been bitten by a dog in the last year?

Now it 111 Stories. Before last week, did the 111 service never ever get it wrong?

DONT BLAME THE COPS. BLAME THE FUCKING MEDIA. THEY'RE C**NTS.

Okay, so it was bad what happened - n oargument there, but they make out like the pleece do it all on purpose! Like they put us in danger cos they can't be arsed or something. Wrong Wrong Wrong!

Lou, i reckon if you started from scratch, you'd end up with something that improved in some ways and just got worse in others... no organisation that big can be close to perfect. What matters is that they keep trying...