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    The content of the address at Wellington and Taupo

    It’s wonderful to see you all here, especially those who have ridden some distance to join us. Fantastic! And a big thank you to those delegates that have joined us (or not)…

    We know why we are here.
    Transit and their contractors need to know as well.

    We are here for one thing, and one thing only – to bring attention to un-necessary biker deaths and injury due to inappropriate barriers.
    The WRB pose a real and definite concern to the motorcycle community.
    We want their use in current form stopped. We want them safe for us too.

    We are well aware that motorcycling can be dangerous.
    We know that we figure disproportionately high in road accident/injury statistics.
    We also know that the majority of these accidents are not our fault.
    We pay registration like every road user.
    We pay a higher ACC levy than other road users.
    That is reason enough for us to figure in ALL road safety initiatives.

    As we all know, the speed limit on the open road for a learner motorcyclist is 70kph. But that is another issue. However, I doubt that a learner will have the skills to avoid impact with a cheesecutter if he finds himself in such a situation. Even an experienced motorcyclist may not be able to avoid the posts and wires. The reason I mention this is that even at the moderate speed of 70kph, you have an 85% chance of losing one or more limbs, should you hit a cheesecutter. At higher speeds, figures state that 95% of all accidents involving a motorcyclist and a cheesecutter will result in dismemberment and/or death.
    These figures led directly to WRB being banned in Norway, Finland, Belgium and the Netherlands. Their use is under review in many other EU countries, with lobby groups pushing for a total ban across Europe. They are subject to stringent guidelines in the US.
    But here in NZ, they continue to be installed on our roads, in direct contravention of international best practice, and increasingly compromising our safety. It is stated that WRB are a safe and cost effective method of preventing head-on collisions. No-one disputes that many deaths have been avoided. BUT what is not stated is the need for a run-off area of some 3 metres separation from driving lanes to be truly effective. What is also not stated is that a WRB will not necessarily stop a heavy truck from penetrating the barrier and colliding with opposing traffic, as happened in Auckland only 2 days after the tragic death which sparked this campaign. We do not know the cause of Daniel’s accident, but we know it was the cheesecutter that killed him. In addition to being used as lane separators, these things are now being installed on the left side of many roads, effectively creating a killing zone by denying us the chance of an escape route if things go wrong. Mark my words . . . we are going to see many more motorcycle deaths due to cheesecutters, if nothing changes.

    Yes, we know that money is a factor in decision making. Yes, Transit do have a budget. But ultimately the money comes from the public purse anyway, and there is ample proof that these things are not cheap. The cost of repairs or replacement after an accident, plus the ongoing costs, in ACC terms, of rehabilitation of injured motorcyclists far outweighs the initial savings in installation over a concrete barrier. Over time, cheesecutters are going to cost an unbelieveable amount of money.

    Because of the motorcycle lobby group, BRONZ, Transit are well aware of our particular needs on the road, but they have continued to ignore us. However, our voice is now much louder, and collectively, with the support of the general public, we will no longer be ignored.

    We are not just motorcyclists
    We are sons and daughters
    We are mothers and fathers
    We are brothers and sisters
    We are wives and husbands
    We are grandparents
    We are friends and co-workers

    We are ordinary Kiwis

    AND WE DESERVE BETTER
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    I have placed this header along with some petition forms at the local Onroad and VTNZ. Perhaps the same could be done all over the country??
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    I searched but couldn't find reference to this One Networrk News segment on KB. Anyway some nice person put it on YouTube for us.
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    With regards to the petitions....set up a table at (venue of your choice) with information gathered here and your imagination.
    This is our effort....
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    It occurred to me that a number of catchy slogans might be useful as well, either for use in further protest rides or on posters if 'you' are doing a petition set-up.
    I have come up with...
    Roading issues affect everyone. What's good for motorcyclists is better for you too.
    Road safety measures should be safe for every road user.
    Cheesecutters. Safety barriers. Or killers.
    Have Transit crossed the (centre) line?
    Social responsibility ensures safe barriers.
    Barriers protect. Or do they?
    Motorcyclists are dying for safer barriers.

    If anyone has other suggestions, please PM me and I will look at adding them.
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    The mazda went under the WRB's and killed 3 teens.
    http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=690243

    the link shows that they do not always stop cars and save cage drivers lives

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    This Barrier Post Report (c) 2004 Monash University Accident Research Centre is a great read, you'll find the details and pictures about Moto-Tub here ...

    4.2.1.3 Moto.Tub
    Moto.Tub consists of plastic (polyethylene) materials that are made largely from recycled products (see Figure 4.4). It is designed to connect to the post of either guardrail or wire rope to protect motorcyclists from injury following impacts with safety barriers. Moto.Tub was developed in France by a company called Sodirel (Pieribattesti & Lescure, 1999).

    Moto.Tub comprises two end support units (with four sleeves), a rear-clamping device, and two tubular rails that are sleeved into the support piece. The device can be adapted to the lower part of all types of barriers mounted on visible metal supports (Pieribattesti & Lescure, 1999). Based on discussions with Sodirel, Paul Hansen, Managing Director of LB International Pty Ltd (Hansen, 2004) states that installation and maintenance of Moto.Tub is fast and efficient. It requires a one-man operation to install the tubing and takes only minutes to assemble each end support. There is no need to remove the barrier or use specialised tools ......

    Section 4 of the report looks not only at Moto-Tub but other WRB covering systems

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    Just thought this might be useful, a quick video from Argentina showing the aftermath of one guy hitting the exposed posts under a barrier. It's kind of graphic, but it's not ground breaking or particularly useful for the CC debate.

    Warning: Fatality
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3b6_1202085895

    Though he could have potentially survived had he not hit the damn thing.
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    Not sure if this is the correct place for it but here's an article I found in the December 28th issue of Motorcycle News (UK). It's about the withdrawl of the Institute of Advanced Motorists recommendation for cheesecutters after an "MCN expose", and does mention NZ in particular. Not sure what was said in the expose but I've emailed them to try to get a copy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bert_is_evil View Post
    Not sure if this is the correct place for it but here's an article I found in the December 28th issue of Motorcycle News (UK). It's about the withdrawl of the Institute of Advanced Motorists recommendation for cheesecutters after an "MCN expose", and does mention NZ in particular. Not sure what was said in the expose but I've emailed them to try to get a copy.
    original artical
    http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Ne...eonruralroads/
    follow up
    http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Ne...nwirebarriers/

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    That's the one - but it only has part of the article, am trying to get the remainder (if it would be useful)
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    This is an absolute must to watch. It proves what we have been claiming about concrete barriers being safer, plus it confirms that they are cheaper even in the short/medium term.
    http://www.safermotorways.co.uk/feature31_video_003.htm
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    This post has some new links from around the world, some links may have been posted else where on KB but in the main it should be new stuff, also it helps bring them into a easy find format.

    N.B. Some links you need to follow links from the site to info.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-n...w-1138376.html

    http://irfroadsafetymatters.blogspot...le-safety.html

    http://www.transportation.org/sites/...ber%202006.pdf

    http://epubl.ltu.se/1402-1617/2005/2...X-05233-SE.pdf

    http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/28/u...wire-rope-bar/

    http://www.fema.ridersrights.org/cra...ier/index.html

    http://www.ors.wa.gov.au/uhtml/thisS...nce/paper9.PDF

    http://www.monash.edu.au/muarc/reports/atsb201.pdf

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    http://www2b.abc.net.au/science/k2/s...pic596200.shtm
    From: Philip ® 18/07/2003 9:29:56 AM
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    A female police officer on a motorbike was killed on wire ropes not all that long ago. Not unsurprisingly, there was a deafening silence from the cops, who would normally say the rider was doing something stupid.

    I don't recall that being in any news. So far there has been one motorcycle death in Australia in a wire rope barrier crash and it wasn't a cop. Do you have a link to a news report or something?


    http://www.motorcycleguidelines.org....l%20report.PDF
    http://www.mraa.org.au/downloads/Bar...inalReport.pdf
    http://www.rospa.com/roadsafety/advi...ments_2006.pdf

    http://www.news.com.au/mercury/story...007221,00.html

    http://www.eurorap.org/news_item?search=y&ID=2

    http://www.officeofroadsafety.wa.gov...ce/paper9.html

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/feature/st...0471342&pnum=0

    http://www.fema.ridersrights.org/doc...rmrev_RSAP.pdf


    http://www.rcar.org/papers/2002_mar_newsletter.pdf

    http://www.atcouncil.gov.au/document...eport_2006.pdf


    http://www.petergutwein.com/jan2501db.php
    Oz pol

    http://www.msf-usa.org/imsc/proceedi...ngineering.pdf

    http://www.network.mag-uk.org/docume...IONAL%20MO.pdf

    Pity its New Zealand
    Wonder what would happen if they had to abide by these rules
    http://tampabay.injuryboard.com/wrongful-death/

    Final say
    from one of the Oz sites, found in a PDF file this little nugget

    Australian/New Zealand Standards 3845:1999

    Requires that the needs of all road users are taken properly into account when selecting appropriate Crash Barriers.

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    Might already be here

    Could well be on here somewhere but here it is again just highlights the european movement to get rid of these things

    http://www.fema.ridersrights.org/crashbarrier2005/

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    Potential New Barrier Post Hazards

    This one's not WRB, but recent current example of alternative low cost steel profile posts for the standard w-section guardrail (rather than the standard wooden posts). Especially for use in tighter situations and being introduced to NZ roads. Check the nice sharp edge post profiles and imagine these appearing on your favorite twisties. I appreciate there always has to be a balance or risk versus expenditure, but surely posts with a blunt profile edge could be adopted at little extra cost with lower risk of damage to any errant motorcyclists. On the plus side, I understand that CSP are going to examine whether plastic pipe post surrounds could be utilised to offer improved protection to vulnerable road users.
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