Too many bins

[twinkle]

Yeah, Twinkle is like 10cm behind me when he followed me in the corners, and I feel Im already trying my best.

oh errr bad habit i'm trying to fix, i shouldn't be so close behind you aye, sorry.

[Squiggles]

Hi guys

Another really good place to learn riding skills without gravel, drains, trees, fences, cars, poles etc is at track days. You can go in the slow group and practice the lines in and out of corners. It really does translate to better riding on the open road.


www.motott.co.nz

Thanks for putting foward the thought, at the moment i dont think this is what we are looking for. Perhaps for those with more experience and a need to satisfy a thirst for some speed. But taking away the targets of target fixation wont fix the problem when they're around

btw all, websites nearly done

[bikerboy011]

far out thats sucks!
good to hear u guys are alright

[motorbyclist]

Macstar, you're dead right - pun intended
the difference between your campaign and katman's, for those still unsure, is it doesn't sound like a rant and instead has genuine concern and some evidence to back it up, with a solution that will help.


i lost count of the bins in this thread.... never thought carbacca would drop it, had thought Drider was past that stage by now, i definitely never expected EJ's crash and who were those two riders who crashed recently?
and did Ehab bin too? ffs man! how long have you been riding now? plus i've seen you riding with passengers atleast 3 times now (and took the passenger for you on one of those occasions)

plus stephen's surprise bin on the TL, my recent fuckup (which was inevitable, but not in the way it happened), breakaway's nasty crash and chris's/Ehab's/Drider's usual stories....

i'll also count dan's miracle save which should have been a bin into a ditch at 100kph had the road not bent around to catch him - good on him keeping it upright in gravel on a slope with both wheels wandering for that long though - was scary just watching

seems everyone except hanne, macstar, kim, nish and a few others are the only club riders to keep their bikes upright this year, but i suspect macstar is next in line for a bin on the motard

atleast ewen, david, ross and kyle have been taken out by other drivers (and chris this latest time too)


my point? we really have alot of crashes. sure we have alot of learners and ride a helluva lot, but some of us seem accident prone.
i would go into detail, but in short: the more experienced, often dangerous riders need to slow down a bit (especially me), and help the newbie riders who really are crashing too often - specifically Drider, Ehab and any others that ask for help. now i know we have learner rides, but from what i've seen they're just a leisurely cruise without much more than friendly tips at the gas station; maybe we should focus more on imparting skills cause clearly just telling them on a forum isn't working too well

Riding on the gravel is still pretty scary for me... I always feel that Im gonna skip and lost control... does everyone feel the same way or just me? or because my soft suspension?

no you're not alone.
for me, sportbike + gravel = extreme caution

and stones + radiator or paint = trouble or stone chips

As for the guy on the RG150 - neither myself nor my friend could understand what caused it.

Yeah I get it, it's my fault that i crashed, i have learnt my mistake no excuses just a rookie mistake.

mate, sounds like what you did last time i rode with you.

how many bins is that now? no offence meant by it but you seem to be having alot of them even for a learner... from what i can discern by this thread and what i've seen of your riding is you have a few problems typical of learners.
1: look (and point your head) around the corner. the bike will go where you are looking.
2: when you see gravel, rocks, stationary cars, ehab's bike etc, do not stare at them. keep looking around the corner or look at your "escape route". the bike will go where you are looking.
3: you're new and yet to find the limits of your bike, but i'm beginning to think (lie; i've always thought this) the RG isn't the best choice in bike.
4: don't panic

Now we've been over this a few times, so maybe we should just get the bike running again get you some proper training, or atleast a few sessions with stephen...

actually, i'd be happy to give you some dirt bike practice and teach you some basic motorcycle control/recovery and it won't matter if you crash, covering problems 2 & 4, then we can move onto the road and manage cornering with appropriate lines and make looking around corners a force of habit to help with problems 1 & 3.

pm me if you're free this week

[EJK]

Macstar, you're dead right - pun intended
the difference between your campaign and katman's, for those still unsure, is it doesn't sound like a rant and instead has genuine concern and some evidence to back it up, with a solution that.........

Man, this gotta be the best post from "Motorbclist" on KB history. I agree 100%! Just wanna give you another bling but can't.... lol

............and help the newbie riders who really are crashing too often - specifically Drider, Ehab and any others that ask for help. now i know we have................

[ital916]

Hey motorb, I'm learning still and i agree it was a bit of target fixation but i was almost stationary...the front wheel locked in the gravel. Like i said this was an unlucky bin but i've learnt that on gravel you can't brake like you would normally, it's the first time i came accross gravel. Lesson learnt! First two bins were due to the rear that's all. Now i have to concentrate on fixing my bike hopping in the saddle and getting back on the road. I will learn from my mistakes and absorb all the advice and info given by you guys, trust me the bruise on my leg is a stark reminder of the perils of motorcycling and if anything has made me more careful than i already was. At the moment i am more worried bout my baby..so broken lol but trust me..calling me accident prone is not the best solution lol i ride with all gear all the time and never take any stupid risks! If you want i'll happily ride with anyone who wishes to impart riding advice..once my baby is back on the road.

[boomer]

Bwahahhahaa.. no binners.. no winners.

[Squiggles]

and did Ehab bin too? ffs man! how long have you been riding now? plus i've seen you riding with passengers atleast 3 times now (and took the passenger for you on one of those occasions)

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seems everyone except hanne, macstar, kim, nish and a few others are the only club riders to keep their bikes upright this year, but i suspect macstar is next in line for a bin on the motard

Hanne keeps dropping bikes while stationary ffs

my point? we really have alot of crashes. sure we have alot of learners and ride a helluva lot, but some of us seem accident prone.
i would go into detail, but in short: the more experienced, often dangerous riders need to slow down a bit (especially me), and help the newbie riders who really are crashing too often - specifically Drider, Ehab and any others that ask for help. now i know we have learner rides, but from what i've seen they're just a leisurely cruise without much more than friendly tips at the gas station; maybe we should focus more on imparting skills cause clearly just telling them on a forum isn't working too well

Perhaps we hold another meeting to discuss instead of this forum, i have a few thoughts and a garage

mate, sounds like what you did last time i rode with you.

how many bins is that now? no offence meant by it but you seem to be having alot of them even for a learner... from what i can discern by this thread and what i've seen of your riding is you have a few problems typical of learners.......
.....
3: you're new and yet to find the limits of your bike, but i'm beginning to think (lie; i've always thought this) the RG isn't the best choice in bike.

I rode 70kph the whole time i was on my learners, didnt push anything and just learnt how the bike handled over that time, then after that started to go out on the open road, no crashes and no "moments"... Perhaps the speed at which you're throwing yourself into this is the issue, a couple of tanks of gas worth isnt really enough to gain a full understanding of the bike RG is a fine bike to begin with, but the moment you dont respect the smoker it bites you.

[Macstar]

i suspect macstar is next in line for a bin on the motard

Sheez man, that's a head trip! You could be right though, it's funny how a different bike can bring out a different rider in you...

I want to reserve the motard for track days and get my kicks there. The ironic thing about that is, I could never successfully explain/convince my girlfriend, friends and family that riding on a track is safer than ripping around on the roads (tried before). To them (non-motorcyclists), riding on a track is a guaranteed bin / injury. Next year when I have a job and a real income I'll be able to afford $100-150 track day fees regularly, plus all the other associated costs.

But yeah: In my defence, coming up three years of riding and no bins, or tickets/demerit points. I've personally witnessed 13 crashes now on the road however and seen 4 at the tracks.

Squiggles is the man though, for a young guy he's got a wise head on his shoulders and has nothing to prove.

[skidMark]

RRRS course!

That course is rubbish.what they need is skill and common sense.

skill comes with time, and common sense well thats up to them, with me i take what some would say huge risks , in the speed i ride at on the open road etc. i have calmed down the overtaking now though.

and yes i did do alot of dumb shit.

what other riders need to do is realise the same thing, that it will get them killed.

i am very lucky to be alive, i actually can't explain how i still am.

i have come off a bike 10 times.

some quite severly

some not my fault, but most were.

in the end though it comes down to them, i learnt my overtaking lesson the hard way... been smacked into by a car driver who is pissed off at you and having your footpeg torn right from under your foot, and having a tankslapper and coming bloodey close to coming off, is a real big wake up moment.

people just need to ride within thier skill level....fine on the open road, but round town you have to watch out for other vehicles. that doesnt come down to speed neccessarily....but to using common sense.

ie...going down the road somebody wants to pull out of a side street...

make sure you are in a gear to accelerate out of the way if they do it late, and be prepared to swerve.

and have your hand and foot covering the brakes, i mean any car...not one pulling out already it's about being prepared in 2 1/2 years of riding i have had minimum 1000 cars do this to me.

why?

because bikes are not seen.

i have my headlight on high beam. all day.

they still do not see you most of the time....


and when they do they are already moving...and either stonk the brakes...and give a sorry wave...or pull out right infront of you "i can beat the bike"

and don't go well they should see me blah fuckingblah, think of it this way, if theres a gap in traffic that youd go hey i can make that with my bike...and it's a car coming...you go for it....exact same size gap....but a big fuck off MACK truck is coming....theres no way in hell you will try it, your mind is designed to say oi, don't do that it's big!

reaction to a car drive is...small object, that gaps easy.

so they go for it, when in reality the gap is not big enough.

car drivers, for the most part, are commuters, they don't know how to handle thier vehicle.

not stirring...it's a fact.

but in the end it comes down to practise. i see so many riders who to be honest, cannot ride for shit, all over the road etc.

and it's just an accident waiting to happen

RRRS is rubbish, you can't tach skill in a day, i think the monday and wednesday night get togethers as macster suggested would be the better option.

go do that.

or you are dead.

when you were little and mummy said you can't get a motorcycle

she had the interests of her lil boy/girl at heart.

because motorcycles are dangerous, they are death traps,they do kill alot of people. they are a very very unsafe vehicle.

but i take that risk everytime i put that helmet on.

why?

because i'm free.

if you ride or not. is up to you. learn to handle the machine , don't get to cocky and ull be fine.

what you all take from this post is up to you, i think i have said all i need to say.

SM

[MSTRS:Me]

SM....You've still got a ways to go with regards to your attitude. RRRS teaches valuable skills...becoming proficient in their application takes ongoing practice. Nobody can become 'good' if they don't understand the dynamics of bike handling in the first place.
One thing you are right about tho...it is a small miracle that you are here to regale us with your misadventures

[yungatart]

That course is rubbish.

RRRS is rubbish, you can't tach skill in a day,

what you all take from this post is up to you, i think i have said all i need to say.

SM

Your opinion is noted.
Just as a matter of interest, have you done the RRRS course?

[skidMark]

Your opinion is noted.
Just as a matter of interest, have you done the RRRS course?

I think i would gain more experiance using the money for petrol than wasting is on RRRS

i know people who have done it, it just made them ride scared, and actually slower.

like all things all you need is practise, and common sense.

the course is bullshit.

[Squiggles]

The dynamics taught in the course (avoiding target fixation, choosing lines, how the bike can handle) are what we will be looking to learn. It may not make you a better rider instantly, but if you think about what has been said, and can relate that to experiences, you will learn far better than repeatedly loosing it and not understanding why.


If everyone else can just bottle up any rage @ Skiddy's post or take it to another thread that'd be good, i'd like to keep this more constructive than a bashing

[skidMark]

SM....You've still got a ways to go with regards to your attitude. RRRS teaches valuable skills...becoming proficient in their application takes ongoing practice. Nobody can become 'good' if they don't understand the dynamics of bike handling in the first place.
One thing you are right about tho...it is a small miracle that you are here to regale us with your misadventures

the dynamics of bike handling?

it's not hard....

twist the throttle...countersteer the bars...omfg it corners.

everything RRRS teaches is written on kiwibiker anyway, it's very basic shit andi consider it a large waste of money.

countersteering is even talked about in the motorcycle road code.

i have taught my riding to myself, with reading online on this site, and tip picked up here and there,

the last thing i would ever want when something goes wrong, is thinking about what the instructor said, i ride with instinct, the point at which you go from total newbie, to gaining some sort of skill whatsoever is when you doing have to think about what you are doing, you don't gooo ooo well now ive been taught to turn the bar, ok now i'm at apex so thorttle out...blah blah....

i look at the road...my mind knows what to do.

i look at the corner.....i automatically control it to do it i don't have to think about how i'm going to control the bike, the bike controls to me are like breathing.

i had alot of trouble at the last taupo trackday because i was thinking about when to downshift and all that bullshit.

made me ride like shit.

if something goes wrong ie...shit gravel...i react accordingly, alot of newbies are too soon to freeze up....when i used to freeze up is when i crashed.

they panic too easily because they lack the confidence and don't know what to do...

practise solves that, and balls.

both things, a 1 day course cannot give you, you cannot be taught planted groundwork, teach yourself.