Too many bins

[yungatart]

Its pretty broad minded of you to air your views on a course that you have never taken.
I, for one, have done it, and my experiences of it are in direct opposition to your acquaintances experiences.
It taught me how to handle my bike in a controlled environment, in a way that I was far to scared to attempt on the road. I gained heaps of confidence and skills, which I practice regularly on the road.
It has made me a far safer, better, more in control and confident rider and I would recommend it to anyone, except for you...your skill levels and attitude are so good, you don't need anything like that.

[skidMark]

except for you...your skill levels and attitude are so good, you don't need anything like that.

tell me something i don't know love.

[MSTRS:Me]

SM, you are a god. For the rest of us mere mortals, an understanding of the "why", makes us a better rider.
You say that you picked up a few tips from here...interesting is the fact how many serious attempts to instruct you were pooh-poohed by yourself, all while you were continuing to get yourself in trouble on the roads.
RRRS would have saved you money.

[MSTRS:Me]

SM, you are a god. For the rest of us mere mortals, an understanding of the "why", makes us a better rider.
You say that you picked up a few tips from here...interesting is the fact how many serious attempts to instruct you were pooh-poohed by yourself, all while you were continuing to get yourself in trouble on the roads.
RRRS would have saved you money.

Actually, no, belay that. You wouldn't have paid attention to the instructors either.
+1 to DMNTD

[Lteejay]

You went from the road onto the gravel while you were braking, locked up the front wheel and went down. I was watching you when you did it
Braking on gravel is pretty easy to practise, and kinda fun

Riding on the gravel is still pretty scary for me... I always feel that Im gonna skip and lost control... does everyone feel the same way or just me? or because my soft suspension?

Gravel scares the shit out of me - had a couple of moments when the back wheel has slid about (well that is what it feels like), both in different types of situations. Would really like to learn a few skills to feel more confident when I hit road works and gravel.

[crashe]

I think i would gain more experiance using the money for petrol than wasting is on RRRS

i know people who have done it, it just made them ride scared, and actually slower.

like all things all you need is practise, and common sense.

the course is bullshit.

Mark - I would like to disagree with you on this.

I did the RRRS course one month after getting my bike years ago.
One week later that course saved my life.......
Why............

Because a twat hit me from the side on, right on the rear wheel and damaged my rear shock. From what I learnt at that course, I managed to keep the bike upright throu out that accident...
When I rode the bike to Mt Eden with one buckled up bent shock, the boys were surprised that I didnt crash when they saw the shock. Because with the hit I took on the bike that day, I should have gone down.

It is what I learnt from that course when Finn and Peggy did the course, I learnt heaps.

I still have that rear shock as a reminder (sitting on a shelf in the garage).

Mark do the course, you will be amazed at what you can learn.... Yes even in one day. Even riders who have been riding for 20 or 30 years go and do it....... from it they realise that they have had some bad habits out there on the road.....

I still get out there and practice the stuff that Peggy and Finn taught me all those years ago.....

[motorbyclist]

calling me accident prone is not the best solution lol

yeah sorry about that, i was trying to be constructive but didn't choose my words too well. you're still learning and it's natural to crash a bit, but i can't help but feel some of the accidents were very avoidable - including my one.

keep riding mate - you'll get there with time. my offer still stands if you're keen though - alot of my skill actually comes from offroad bikes where i've learnt to control things that are otherwise going to crash (and alot of my bad habits probably come from there too)

Hanne keeps dropping bikes while stationary ffs

lol, well those things just happen. i know back on my learners my shoelaces got caught and caused two drops outside my gate. ehab did the same the other day in a carpark.

Perhaps we hold another meeting to discuss instead of this forum, i have a few thoughts and a garage

yeah i was thinking the same thing - plus i want to discuss the club organisation for next year with signing new members and whatnot

I rode 70kph the whole time i was on my learners, didnt push anything and just learnt how the bike handled over that time, then after that started to go out on the open road, no crashes and no "moments"... Perhaps the speed at which you're throwing yourself into this is the issue, a couple of tanks of gas worth isnt really enough to gain a full understanding of the bike RG is a fine bike to begin with, but the moment you dont respect the smoker it bites you.

yeah, i'm a bit anti-2smoke, but for absolute novices i still maintain that a bike that can bite like that isn't the best. mind you, any bike can bite if you're not careful - i reckon if had i got a r6/cbr600 rather than the vfr i'd be crippled by now

Sheez man, that's a head trip! You could be right though, it's funny how a different bike can bring out a different rider in you...

But yeah: In my defence, coming up three years of riding and no bins, or tickets/demerit points.

lets try to keep it that way

kinda ironic that the original poster is likely the next to crash isn't it?

plus i'm posting all of this yet it's a miracle i havn't crashed due to hooning yet (alot is skill/experience/bike, but alot is luck too)

I still have that rear shock as a reminder.

haha, i keep broken bike bits as reminders/souveniers - got a whole shelf of dirt bike parts, plus a few piles in corners and under benches. wheels, levers, engine covers, mufflers, plastics - you name it

[Macstar]

SM and others pls take your squabbles elsewhere, not wanted on this thread as kindly asked several times now.

[motorbyclist]

oh and ehab; your riding isn't bad as such, but your bike is really getting munted lol

did you fall on the same side again or tried to balance out both sides?

[klingon]

Just spoke to RRRS, next course is mid Jan. They suggested two bike instructors that may be able to run a special group course for us in the mean time.

Anyone know how I can get in contact with these people:

Lee Hurley & John Wright.

Lee Hurley (Aka Lee Rusty of Rusty Nuts) 021 639 7433

On these learner rides do they provide bikes? I wanna get some people into bikes but they dunno where to go and learn and Im not lending my bike!

Lee has a few bikes he can lend to beginners. He will teach absolute beginners who have never been on a bike before, and also people who have more experience and want to improve their skills. He's also very patient

[skidMark]

Too much I could say so I'll keep it brief and semi-constructive.

All the money you've spent to date hasn't helped...enough.
Invest the money...ride slower and cautiously which in turn will make you quicker.
You appear to be lacking common sense at certain times...obviously the course would help you and help us to relax having you around us.

The course is not BS...and you DO need it,as do many.
Feel free to challenge my comments but ffs...think before you type.

i don't need to do it...i already know all the crap they teach....

i'm quick enough...

getting too cocky so am very tempted to give up road riding....

140 through 55's i'm feeling too comfortable..... which is never good.

i just wanna go faster.

and yeah...one day i will come round a 55 knee down at 140...spot gravel...and go....FUCK

i don't wanna give up road riding. but i don't think i have much choice, for my own safety, i dunno what to do.

[motorbyclist]

i don't wanna give up road riding. but i don't think i have much choice, for my own safety, i dunno what to do.

fuck just slow down. if you're getting from a to b just do it legally - everyone else manages it

and what the hell is the point, really, in doing 140 kph on a straight. maybe once or twice for the experience, but after that there's not skill involved! just pick some nice, tight, windy roads so you're forced to keep the speeds legal

maybe get a different bike - i find riding the fxr helps me keep my licence, and is still fun in the corners

and you could always just stick to trackdays - your bike is buggered enough to become a track bike dont you think?

[ital916]

Hey all, squiggles came round today and checked out the bike..a big thanks mate i owe you a beer. She seems not too bad. Needs a bit of plastic welding up the front where the fairing took the impact but apart from that i will have to live with the scratches. Everytime i ride they will be a reminder of what can happen, i think i'm gonna stick to the city and work on getting my cornering confidence up and learning to trust the bike. I want to see how she handles and get the basics right. I realise by the time i get my full that she'll probably have plenty more scratches but again i want to get the basics right. I'll def look at takgin the RRRS course and motorb if your offer still stands, a day of learning a bit of off road skill would be good...maybe some gravel riding *if other noobs are keen* to learn how to control the bike if that evil crap is come across might be good. I'm happy to ride with everyone who wants to do learner rides and just pm me if you guys need people for learner nights. On the plus im most likely not goona try bend the fairing back into shape at the front you can't really tell it's bent and i get a better view out of my mirror now lol .

Taking it real easy

D

[Ragingrob]

Almost binned it today! I have learnt, do not stop for orange lights in the wet!!! Pushed the rear a bit too hard and fish tailed for about 5 metres coming up to market rd and great south road intersection. Relaxed (as much as I could), released rear brake, continued with front brake keeping bike as straight as possible, finally coming to a stop at the lights.

Gotta be careful in wet! I shouldn't have accelerated up to a stale green light so much and then stopped for an orange with not enough distance for a wet road. Although, I am proud of myself for being able to save the bail considering I've had no bin experience. And I plan to keep it that way!

[ital916]

Was that on your way to stephens...woulda been sad if your were late cos you binned. Lesson learnt aye lol