Too many bins

**motorbyclist** · 10th December 2007, 11:25

Originally Posted by jrandom

'Proper' downhill MTBing is for people with the reflexes of a 12-year-old and too little imagination to be scared of death.

Shudder.

Cycling tends to be mostly about going uphill. Try pedalling 500 nonstop vertical metres at a 10% grade over a rocky, muddy trail.

If you can make it to the top without getting off and crawling or stopping to vomit, you're a harder man than most.

yeah, that's why i mentioned it was downhill with a gentle ride up - fuck doing it the other way round!

**Macstar** · 10th December 2007, 13:06

Ra ra ra - we are not interested in heart rates

**HungusMaximist** · 10th December 2007, 13:33

Well, I am just glad nobody lost a limb on those bins but like I mentioned before on another thread, binning is just a part of Motorcycling.

Glad that you ran this thread because I think it's a good time that we got our club together to do course which can help us identify our weaknesses.

I do feel you Dririder/little Nish with all your mishaps in the past month of starting your Motorcycling but keep at it bro, you can only get better!

**dipshit** · 10th December 2007, 14:33

Originally Posted by motorbyclist

fuck just slow down.
and what the hell is the point, really, in doing 140 kph on a straight. maybe once or twice for the experience, but after that there's not skill involved! just pick some nice, tight, windy roads so you're forced to keep the speeds legal

Ummm... he is saying he is doing 140 in 55 kph sign posted corners.

**dipshit** · 10th December 2007, 14:47

Originally Posted by skidMark

i don't wanna give up road riding. but i don't think i have much choice, for my own safety, i dunno what to do.

Do yourself and everybody else a favour and give it a rest for a while. If you ever do manage to grow up and develop some self-control, then maybe you could get back into it sometime in the future.

One of the most important skills in motorcycling is self-control. If you haven't got it, then don't.

**Drunken Monkey** · 10th December 2007, 16:31

Originally Posted by jrandom

Cycling tends to be mostly about going uphill. Try pedalling 500 nonstop vertical metres at a 10% grade over a rocky, muddy trail.

ugh, sounds like the 42nd traverse ride I did earlier this year. One section was all uphill for 45 minutes, all 2nd to lowest and lowest gear.

**HTFU** · 10th December 2007, 17:25

Originally Posted by motorbyclist

really? well then that figure of 180 must ave been ligit.... i thought the mechanical limit of the heart was 180 so thought it must've been 160.... you tried riding a dirtbike seriously for MX or enduro? if not, you have no idea... any other dirt riders going to comment here?

Similar comment from people that do shearing, was in the paper when a women was going for a enduro shearing record, that it was harder than running two marathons back to back.

I don't disagree that its hard work but its a bit more a mix of strength endurance and cardiovascular endurance because of the nature of the muscle contraction (that is you are holding something for a longer period of time than say a leg muscle contracting during running - I won't bore everyone with the technical terms, but the HR will still be highish which gives the impression that is it really cardiovascular)

Easiest way to understand why such calls are made for how tough the sport is, are basically because of the pain associated with it. A shearer or MX rider will be puffing, so it feels really cardiovascular, but the real pain comes from sitting or bending in the same position for hours holding on to something (sheep or bike). Its like putting your arm out at right angles and timing how long it can stay there. Bloody painful and mentally only the tough bastards can do it well.

Most top mx riders will ride push bikes to improve their fitness so that indicates that the MX riding doesn't do enough and the cycling helps them to get fitter and to ride better. You won't see many top cyclists, runners, rowers etc shearing and doing MX to improve their sports despite claims that these activities are harder and the athletes that do them are fitter.

We had a NZ sevens player come to take some fitness testing for our rugby practice and he started off by explaining how fit they had to be under Gordon Tichens. He went on about the fact they were some of the fittest athletes in NZ

. He did the 3km run with us. I regularly ran under 9 mins at the time ( and was a mid pac runner at Nationals - top guys were close to 8 minutes or better) and he struggled to do 10 minutes. A bit of a reality check for the big guy.

Last half marathon I ran averaged 190 BPM although it was only for 1 hr 13 min not the cruel 2hrs mr JRandom had to endure (good on you though big fella)

but I must say I feel just as stuffed doing a day throwing hay bales, or shifting kitchens around if you are going hard enough.

Anyway a bit off topic - this thread was about KBers who can offer any other practical riding programmes where our members can build up their cornering, braking, defensive driving skills etc - so my suggestion is go mountain biking a few times.

**badassbandit** · 10th December 2007, 23:11

Do yourself and everybody else a favour and give it a rest for a while. If you ever do manage to grow up and develop some self-control, then maybe you could get back into it sometime in the future.

One of the most important skills in motorcycling is self-control. If you haven't got it, then don't.

Fuk thats a stupid idea, best thing to do is jump back on the horse!!
If you leave it for a while you will just grow a fear, as i see it these bins stem from lack of confidence/ bad reading of corners and having a break will just destroy any remaining confidence for when they start riding again.

I have found following somebody more experienced helps an amazing amount as you can follow there lines/lean angles aslong as they are not going to hard, just showing smooth lines through the corners. SM is right about there being alot to learn on KB, i often stay up late reading accient threads till the wee hours of the morning and then go practice the next day. UncleB who i have read alot about seemed to have helped many riders and just reading threads about his teachings has helped me alot.
I havent had a bin on the open road, only one or two overruns but would still really like some mentoring so i can become a better rider. A thing the uni club really needs is someone with 10+ years of riding under their belt who can mentor learners to become safer and more confident riders, i guess a real shortfall of the club being based around uni is that everybody is relatively young and imature. Perhaps next year we should make it a regular thing to all ride out to the monday night rides together where we can interact with more mature riders.

Ehab i see you are keeping a low profile in this thread was your bin prity bad? you should post some photos of the damage.

**xwhatsit** · 10th December 2007, 23:20

Originally Posted by HungusMaximist

but like I mentioned before on another thread, binning is just a part of Motorcycling.

Hell no. Plenty of people here on KB (we had a thread about it once -- haven't we had a thread about everything now?

) who haven't crashed in 30-40 years. I don't plan on ever crashing again after my three-days-after-licence-run-wide-on-corner incident. It's all about skill. Skilled riders don't crash. If you crash, it's because you're not a good enough rider -- either you don't have the skills required to go around corners, or because your cage-survival skills haven't developed enough yet. Sure, many crashes aren't our fault, but if we weren't such poor riders we would know how to avoid those situations in the first place or take evasive action.

So, SMC, let's learn how to fucking ride. It's an embarrassment.

**ital916** · 11th December 2007, 06:05

I reckon a lot of guys need to tone down on what they say to learners. Some people aren't great riders at first guys. I've crashed i'm learning, i'm back on the road...i'll learn to ride better. If a noob crashes, find the problem and learn to rectify it, dob't just say learn to f***ing ride better lol

**Macstar** · 11th December 2007, 08:19

I had a chat with Squiggles the other day and we sussed out a plan for the club members, he's going to put something up in writing any day now.

In the mean time I'm going to go and check this out tomorrow:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...day+night+ride

**Ragingrob** · 11th December 2007, 08:20

I think the whole point is sure, learners such as myself aren't meant to be great at cornering and situational awareness etc etc and this is what we have to get better and better at just through practise and being smart. My view is that learners only crash (apart from other cars being involved) when they push themselves over their limit, too hard for their ability. Practise everything at a slower pace before you open up the throttle. Know that you're a learner still and don't take it as a bad thing, it's just a fact.

I've been improving my riding through practice and mistakes by going at a pace I'm comfortable with and pushing to my limit, but not over it. I know that if I take that one step further then I'll probably bin it at my own fault. Why try to ride better than you know you can??

Everyone makes mistakes like I did the other day when I fish-tailed but controlled it, that was pushing myself to my limit seeing as it was wet and I learnt from it. If I'd been going too fast on a corner and over my limit when I had to do that I'd be off that bike before I could say oops! It's like swimming at the beach - "Know your limits"

**Macstar** · 11th December 2007, 08:23

P.S. I'm trying to get my shit together so that I can race the KTM this Saturday at Mt Wellington - though I need about $200 worth of race permitting parts and entry fees...

**klyong82** · 11th December 2007, 09:37

I don't have a problem riding with newbies as once upon a time I was one and I would not mind giving my experiences of riding a bike to them. The only way they can improve is just keep riding or practising and also observe from more experience riders.

I am not going to critised them for been a newbie or been slow on our rides. Most rides we organised tend to be newbie friendly while at times we do advised if some rides are targeted for experience riders.

Come to think of it I think this is the third out of the many rides we have organised that had bins.

**motorbyclist** · 11th December 2007, 09:59

Originally Posted by badassbandit

Fuk thats a stupid idea, best thing to do is jump back on the horse!!
If you leave it for a while you will just grow a fear, as i see it these bins stem from lack of confidence/ bad reading of corners and having a break will just destroy any remaining confidence for when they start riding again.

Ehab i see you are keeping a low profile in this thread was your bin prity bad? you should post some photos of the damage.

skidmark was talking about quitting while he's ahead - ie before he crashes.

and ehab is having internet troubles