drifting question

[HanaBelle]

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If a frog had side pockets, he'd carry a handgun.

Yay!!! I hate cats tooo...cats must die...cats are cruel nasty lil beasties and destroy native birds...cats make great motorbike seat covers *squash*...(desperate to get back ontopic)..

I worship you now, Firestormer..(drool)

HanaBananas

[scroter]

Just buy a pair of dunlop 207's and you will be sliding drifting what ever you want to call it very soon.

well brian bernard told me if you want to slide push down on the inside peg if you want to avoid it push on the outside peg.to be honest though on my 600 it dosent really slide at all, so how your doin it on a 250 unless your on the grass beats me.

or you can just buy the aforementioned tyres ive got a set with only 1200ks on them if you wnat to buy them.

oh and remeber go check your insurance premium cause if you keep trying your gonna crash.

[vifferman]

Back to real riding, who amongst us, on their road bike, can consistantly get through any corner they come across, meet the apex, then just think "I'll gas it up and wheelspin/slide out of this corner with a bit of opposite lock".

You can do that? At any speed/any time you feel like it? On a roadbike? You're my hero and you should be challenging our mates Stroud and Bernard.

Nup. My gonads are neither big enough, nor made of titanium.
However, I did once deliberately slide my bike on the road, when I saw the corner was a bit sandy, and I had a mate on the back. Gave him a big thrill.
What was I thinking?!? Beats me how I managed it. And feet up, too.

[Motu]

I've been sliding since I was a kid doing skids in the dirt on my pushbike.I've never been into wheelies,stoppies or jumps - being sideways in a powerslide is what gets my rocks off.After countless gravel road miles,a fair bit of off road riding and a few seasons of dirt track on a hard pack clay track I'd say I've done a bit of sliding - but am by no means an expert or a gun slider.

First off ignore the talk of slippery tyres or going out in slippery conditions,sure you'll slide,but not in a controlled way.You want some sticky tyres,racing wets or my favorite,competion trials tyres,with these you can ride in the drift zone on seal - takes some speed and aggression with the throttle.

Getting into a two wheeled drift on a flat tracker (where's that OwlMorris,he was just in here with his rebuilt SR500 street tracker) is not so much skill - but a big jump in faith....to run deep,deep into the corner under power way past the braking point and then back off and slam the bike down and have both wheels loose traction is sphincter tightening when you first do it,but fuck,what a thrill to ride it there,bucking and slipping,fighting for control over both ends of the bike,hearing your tyres howling as they slide over clay,knowing when to hit the gas and turn the two wheel drift into a powerslide out of the corner.

You will need big bars,coming back into your lap,you have to sit upright with your feet under your bum,you need your shoulders to control this bike.Yes you can do it - but expect to crash....often.

[FROSTY:Me]

Ok, just having a conversation with someone who is a MXr about drifting (front and rear). I can kind of do it to the rear on the 250 - but its more uncontrolled due to cold tires rather than on the 600 where it was technique.

Anyone out there have a handle on a good way to get more control

Having never ridden speedway I'm not sure how they do it, but it seems to be a mix of lean angle and throttle control.

Ok dude I gotta tell you you are seriously asking for serious pain here
I used to get get a bit of drift out of the rose gardens at whanganui on my 250 proddy bike but it always scared the shit outa me
That said if you are serious the best way to learn is buy a lil 4 stroke trailie.
Buy a spare set of rims and fit slicks or just nearly bald road tyres to em.
Fit a slick to the back and hey presto the back will slide/drift. --swap over and the front will drift. its all at slow speeds so it shouldn't hurt

[TwoSeven]

Well after reading all the replies I must say the quality of ignorance is pretty high - well done to those that managed to demonstrate superior ego's and totally not answer my question. Pretty much a wast of time and space really

I do appreciate the 'i cant do it therefore you cant do it' attitude from some people - I suspect they are obviously very successfull in life.

Out of interest I grew up racin road bikes on wet grass with my mates - so not afraid of moving a bike around. Havnt binned a bike in over a decade apart from parking on some long grass that turned out to be a ditch and removing the paddock stand without putting the side stand down and ye olde disc lock issue. So you can assume that I have a fair idea on how to ride safely.

I asked a simple question and expected a simple answer - not a demonstration of total wankerdom that some people managed to demonstrate.

Thanks to those people who did manage to reply properly - i have some ideas to work with

[White trash]

Well after reading all the replies I must say the quality of ignorance is pretty high - well done to those that managed to demonstrate superior ego's and totally not answer my question. Pretty much a wast of time and space really

I do appreciate the 'i cant do it therefore you cant do it' attitude from some people - I suspect they are obviously very successfull in life.

Out of interest I grew up racin road bikes on wet grass with my mates - so not afraid of moving a bike around. Havnt binned a bike in over a decade apart from parking on some long grass that turned out to be a ditch and removing the paddock stand without putting the side stand down and ye olde disc lock issue. So you can assume that I have a fair idea on how to ride safely.

I asked a simple question and expected a simple answer - not a demonstration of total wankerdom that some people managed to demonstrate.

Thanks to those people who did manage to reply properly - i have some ideas to work with

Coulda' been read alot of ways actually. Not quite as simple a question as you think.

I've had neumerous bins over the last decade. Allways doing things I thought I could handle easily. Just pointing out the obvious perhaps.

Anyhoo, I'mm off to go for a ride with my "wankerish" friends on some very "wanky" bikes in a mass demonstration of "wankerdom".

Maybe we'll see you there.

[Blakamin]

Anyhoo, I'mm off to go for a ride with my "wankerish" friends on some very "wanky" bikes in a mass demonstration of "wankerdom".

Maybe we'll see you there.

I think some southerners dont have a sense of humour

[James Deuce]

Well after reading all the replies I must say the quality of ignorance is pretty high - well done to those that managed to demonstrate superior ego's and totally not answer my question. Pretty much a wast of time and space really

I do appreciate the 'i cant do it therefore you cant do it' attitude from some people - I suspect they are obviously very successfull in life.

Out of interest I grew up racin road bikes on wet grass with my mates - so not afraid of moving a bike around. Havnt binned a bike in over a decade apart from parking on some long grass that turned out to be a ditch and removing the paddock stand without putting the side stand down and ye olde disc lock issue. So you can assume that I have a fair idea on how to ride safely.

I asked a simple question and expected a simple answer - not a demonstration of total wankerdom that some people managed to demonstrate.

Thanks to those people who did manage to reply properly - i have some ideas to work with

I wouldn't call it ignorance, I'd call it concern. You should actually be touched that people give a shit, despite your, "you all suck and can't ride" attitude. Bear in mind that if it goes wrong on a public road you add to the argument that all motorcyclist should be paying higher insurance premiums and larger ACC levies. I hope some fireman doesn't have scrape your body parts off an immovable object.

Just let us know which ward to send the Rose's chocolates to.

[2_SL0]

Ive done many a powerslide on the dirt/gravel. But on tarseal I can only see pain. You will do it, just not how your expecting. I see it more like, You "drifting" (sliding is a better word) down the road on your ass. The bike drifting (again sliding is the better word) alongside you, maybe in front of you, or worse RIGHT behind you. Take it from the people here this is not something that you want to learn unless you are keen on binning. "What ever floats your boat" :spudbooge

[TwoSeven]

I didnt read the earlier posts the way some people intended them to be read. I asked a simple question and expected a simple answer. I wouldnt have minded the odd comment that I may bin it - or do it somewhere safe or along those lines. That would go along with the par when someone asks how to do something that is technically difficult.

Some of the earlier posts were just plane retarded and I wasnt sure if it was done by 8 year olds or someone with a self image problem. Which is what pissed me off. I do expect people to use netiquette as they would good manners in real life. There is a difference between sarcasm and humour and without the use of emoticons its hard to define which is being used.

I asked a serious question and I expected a serious answer - if you dont know then say so. If you are being funny then say so - thats what emoticons are for.

I happen to enjoy stunting on bikes and going fast has no interest for me - I find it rather boring. I do enjoy riding in wet,snow,ice/grass/gravel and I'm not fussed with falling off. I already know how to break a tire loose and move the bike around - what I dont know how to do is make the bike move in a manner closer to what I want it too. Drifting is one of those techniques i'd like to learn in order to get closer to that mark.

For those who say - dont do it because we pay taxes for injury and all that codswollop - I suspect all the people that jump mx bikes, throw rally cars around gravel roads on the sides of cliffs, race bikes, throw themselves off of cliffs and all those other 'dangerous' sports would probably tell you to shove it in the appropriate place lacking sunlight

[James Deuce]

For those who say - dont do it because we pay taxes for injury and all that codswollop - I suspect all the people that jump mx bikes, throw rally cars around gravel roads on the sides of cliffs, race bikes, throw themselves off of cliffs and all those other 'dangerous' sports would probably tell you to shove it in the appropriate place lacking sunlight

Can you actually read, or are you too busy attaching emoticons to your puerile rubbish?

I said on the road.

If you seriously want to learn how to slide a bike, go racing, be it motorcross, motard, enduro, beach racing or whatever. Just don't practice on a public road. If you are going to level accusations and call people names have some balls and name the people that are getting on your tits.

Otherwise just go practice "drifiting" somewhere offroad and stop wasting your time making inane posts.

[sAsLEX]

throw themselves off of cliffs and all those other 'dangerous' sports

any one esle see the base jumping on three news the other night, mightly impressive and stupid at the same time

[RiderInBlack]

Good on you T. We need more Heros (especially in the parade ). By the way I don't want to know which ward your are in if things don't go well (I'll just eat the box of Roses for myself). It was your choice to be there (as it will be mine if I crap off my bike)

PS: If you suc-seed with your "drift" experiment, let us know how you did it so we can all give it a try

[Motu]

I hope I'm one of the sane ones who responded to your post - I've never been met with ridicule talking about sliding on the road,I just get ignored with a he's a wanker look.When getting young guys to ride on the dirt track they would come down with dirt bikes on dirt tyres and ride like they were on dirt...cause they were.But that's not the way to go fast on a flat track - I used to tell them I'm using my street skills out there,not my dirt skills....this is how I ride on the road - then I would go out on my old XS1 street bike and go around the out side of them on the corners.I first learnt to slide a bike on the seal,in the mid 70s I was using trials tyres and doing controled slides on the road...I had no idea it was not the done thing,I didn't realise until later that most people didn't ride like that.

The modern road racing style has been adapted from flattrack racing - heavy on the front on corner entry,then a controled powerslide out.Do you still have flattrack in ChCh? last time I heard they were the last ones doing it.If you can get out on a dirt track and learn to slide on hard pack clay,then you can transfer this to the seal - that's how Kenny Roberts taught the road racers in his school,do it you self.Get a bike with a more traditional set up...a classic look,this gives better weight distubution than a modern street bike or a dirt bike,put a fat front tyre on and ride till you can push the front,and I mean really push the front...use the front to turn the bike,use the front to push the rear out.I know I'm preaching to a hostile audiance,but if you want to do it you can....any wanker can do it.