Tinted visor in the night - Solution

[ynot slow]

Clear visor with sunnies,helmet is hjc.
Am thinking that maybe you could use stick on tint from repco or similar,as long as not a dark tint,would be similar to a smoke lens,would do it on wifes helmet only,she doesn't ride just pillions.

[sAsLEX]

Now sAsLEX, have you ever looked at the weight of a $250 helmet compared to a $1000 helmet. The expensive one is not lighter because its smaller or has less "features". Its lighter because its made out of better material.
So now dont you think that perhaps the helmets with the glasses inside them are made with lighter material as well?

Yes, a Shoei/Arai et al at that bracket are lighter than some cheap helmets due to their construction.... but you miss my point.

What is lighter a car with 1 seat, no radio, no air conditioning, no lining or carpets, or a car with 7 leather heated motorised seats, multi zone climate control, 48 speaker stereo, shag pile carpet with baby moose leather and marble accents?

Both do the same job of transport. Both have the same chassis and mechanical workings, but the second would weigh a lot more.

[DingoZ]

Ooooooooo....Santa brought a present of Red Rep and a fuck off message.......


Brilliant, outstanding display of intelligence to that person.... Pity you didn't sign it, I would have given you some green in return...

[Weaver]

Yes, a Shoei/Arai et al at that bracket are lighter than some cheap helmets due to their construction.... but you miss my point.

What is lighter a car with 1 seat, no radio, no air conditioning, no lining or carpets, or a car with 7 leather heated motorised seats, multi zone climate control, 48 speaker stereo, shag pile carpet with baby moose leather and marble accents?

Both do the same job of transport. Both have the same chassis and mechanical workings, but the second would weigh a lot more.

I'm not saying that sunglasses built in aren't going to add some wieght. However that weight can be taken out somewhere else, for example by making it out of lighter material.

Also your example with the cars is terrible. Thats like comparing a full race helmet to your average $250 helmet. Apples with pears mate.

Now i'll also really spell it out for you.
It doesn't have to be heavier. The weight can be, and is kept low by making it out of a fiberglass composite weave shell.

[sAsLEX]

Also your example with the cars is terrible. Thats like comparing a full race helmet to your average $250 helmet. Apples with pears mate.

What's a full race helmet?

You can buy basically the same helmets they wear in the MotoGP, most NZ racers race in helmets bought off the shelf in NZ, and most people I ride with have a decent helmet probably upwards of 500 dollars.

$5 head.......


But the engineering behind them remains the same.

Adding features with either make it heavier than a similar construction helmet, to compare apples to apples rather than your "they will just use lighter materiel", could make it larger and could be detrimental in its overall effectiveness in avoiding brain injury.

[Weaver]

Adding features with either make it heavier than a similar construction helmet, to compare apples to apples rather than your "they will just use lighter materiel", could make it larger and could be detrimental in its overall effectiveness in avoiding brain injury.

You say it could, but it doesn't make it larger or reduce its effectiveness. The proof is in the pudding. My HJC FS-10 only wieghs 1450 grams and meets the safety standards.

[Big Dave]

or a car with 7 leather heated motorised seats, multi zone climate control, 48 speaker stereo, shag pile carpet with baby moose leather and marble accents?

When did you see my Merc?

[Disco Dan]

I have found that keeping the visor down the whole time and not looking at headlights/street lamps etc my pupils stay large enough to see the road - takes a while to adjust completely and all it takes is to look at a pair of headlights to screw up my night vision.

I have had to ride from the shore to out west at night with only a tinted visor a few times - 99% of the time I remember to pack my clear visor in my tank bag!

[discotex]

You say it could, but it doesn't make it larger or reduce its effectiveness. The proof is in the pudding. My HJC FS-10 only wieghs 1450 grams and meets the safety standards.

Yes but my Shoei XR-1000 weighs 1350g and probably exceeds the standards by a long shot. Certainly the Arai's do. They do a bunch of penetration and crush tests not in the spec.

What sAsLEX is saying is technically correct. For the same level of protection at the same low weight you can't add features. Given that top end helmets are usually made of the best compromise of lightweight and strength if you add something you have to take away somewhere else.

Whether or not that matters on the road is another argument altogether. Do you really need to exceed the spec for road riding or do you just need it in race helmets? Maybe an internal visor meaning you don't ride with a tinted visor at night makes you more safe..?

[DingoZ]

Maybe an internal visor meaning you don't ride with a tinted visor at night makes you more safe..?

Exactly the point I was trying to make. (but obviously did not succeed).. I like the option to have the choice of internal visor to eliminate the need to

1. Only stick to either clear or tinted visor
2. Carry a second visor and change it over
3. Risk riding, with a tinted visor at night, and have vision impaired..

I currently ride with a clear one, and wear sunnies. But having tried a helmet with one of the internal tinted visors as well as a clear one on the outside, I will be making the change to one of these, as I do a lot of riding both in daylight and at night....

I can see your point as well Saslex, however for me, it's not an issue of one helmet being lighter/heavier, safer/or not as safe as the next helmet. It is one of practicality and requirement. And if the heavier not so costly helmet meets those needs then I think it's all good. Each to his/her own....

[Kittyhawk]

Swimming goggles lol.

Gladwrap?

meh....when you get a mouth full of bugs, go alongside a car and spit them on the window

Im used to riding with a visor up at night, eyes water, but ya get used to it.

[Pancakes]

Good to see any topic can become a shit fight on KB still, I was giving up hope!!

Those stick on things (I have only loked at the first page and this one) are good. Nearly as good as the free tint I got from a car tint place and applied myself. No danger as I set the hight where the roof of a van I'm following would be so it blocks out the sky but not the road. Cuts glare awesomely! If your gonna try it measure 6 times and stick once cos the tints not moving once it's stuck!!

I saw a bike cop the other day who has a stip of black duct tape at a similar hight, plain and tidy.

For the weight weeneys what does a sheet of tint 40mm x 22mm tip the scales at? (if it registers at all)

As for "race helmet"? If they are different at all (and I doubt it cos you'd hate to be a manufacturere that does a small run of product you can't sell for road use either? Costing money for reduced return? I don't think so.) Race tracks have less angular things to impact on and there have been threads on this site and others about whether the track environment is less harsh on a helmet than the road.

Just my late night written fast 2c

[Bullitt]

Am thinking that maybe you could use stick on tint from repco or similar,as long as not a dark tint,would be similar to a smoke lens,would do it on wifes helmet only,she doesn't ride just pillions.

Have you ever tried to stick a flat piece of tint onto a motorcycle visor thats curved horizontally and vertically. The only options are:
1. Have it only fit in a couple of places and have it look really bad
2. Cut it into lots of small pieces where every time it overlaps itll be twice as dark
3. Work out some way to stretch the tint (Im not aware this is possible)
4. Buy a tinted visor

I just bought an FS-10 and Im quite happy with it. Id prefer to ride with a tinted visor than with the internal visor down but with my old helmet I got sick of changing them all the time.

While I agree with some of Alans arguments Id say at best from the following list you can only pick two.
1. Relatively Light Weight
2. Extra Features
3. Value for money if safety is the only concern

[mowgli]

Have you ever tried to stick a flat piece of tint onto a motorcycle visor thats curved horizontally and vertically.

I haven't tried this with visor tints but with thin perspex you can use a hot air gun to soften the material before stretching it over a curved surface. This is what I'd try.

[Smokin]

I have a piece of black static cling vinyl, covers the whole visor, a bit like a big tear off really. I put it on before a ride and if it gets too dark I peel it off, roll it up and put it in a cigar tube.
can be a bit of a pain to put on without air bubbles in it but it wouldn't take more than a couple of minutes and only 1/2 a second to remove.