Penalised for trying to help

[dangerous]

(would love to try bucket racing, looks like cheap fun! )

remind us when the winterseries starts up in May.. I will find ya a bike to trash... er thrash

[SVboy]

I voted for the "in person advice" cause D has given me advice inperson. He followed me, overtook me, demonstrated what I was doing wrong, and made me think on how to improve. I am still thinking and I value the time he took. Otherwise I could be cutting right handers still, in ignorance, until the inevitable. I will continue to value an experienced rider, such as Ds input, as I am well aware of my shortcomings. Keep it up D, but dont let this garbage online get to you. At the end of the day, you are entitled to enjoy your riding as much as anybody, and not be attacked for having the balls to offer advice.

[_Shrek_]

just look at the votes

1 you have the pc brigade "spineless jellyfish"

2 most of us know D is right :2 thumbs up

3 the wankers who have shit for brains

4 on the right track but toughen up okeye:

cya Wed @ BK

just for your info guys Mrs SLR makes the best b & e pie i've ever tasted

[cruza]

Well I had a close call on the way back from kaikoura today, quess what it was 3 bikes on or over the white line and leaning my side , first rider nearly binned ,as he straightened/swerved to the left and ran out of tarmac(to much speed, fark all time, others following had a little more time to react thank goodness, Trucks are very unforgiving.

[timg]

remind us when the winterseries starts up in May.. I will find ya a bike to trash... er thrash

Hey thanks for the offer I'd be real keen to attend a couple and find out the in's & out's.

Oh and congratulations to you & Rashika.

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just for your info guys Mrs SLR makes the best b & e pie i've ever tasted

So there'll be b & e pie on wed eh? I might just have to make the effort to come up from Ashvegas

[RiderInBlack]

Have found myself thinking more about the cornering lines while I'm riding lately because of this thread. Have been noticing how much on coming traffic are close to the line and how close my head would have been to them if I didn't pull it in more. Which I feel is a dam good thing. Thanks D

[Trudes]

I agree. While out riding yesterday I was more conscious of my position in relation to the center line (and on the back roads, the center of the road), and not focusing on my exit point being on the other side of the road but in the middle of the road, so thanks Dangerous (and others who have mentioned these points in this thread).

[dangerous]

Have found myself thinking more about the cornering lines while I'm riding lately because of this thread.

I agree. While out riding yesterday I was more conscious of my position in relation to the center line

Awesome guys... ok heres some more info and once again remember it is IMHO.
A reason that some people may have dificualty with crossing the center line could be the roads camber, they are fighting it so therefore tend to stay on the high rise of the road.. the center.
Now if you have been praticing your lines then you will notice that the camber off to the left (now that you are staying further to the left) will make life difficult in the sense that it wants to drag you further left.

Well nows the time to think about body placement, rather than lean the bike over further to compensate the negitive camber... lean the top 1/2 of the body to the right, maybe if the speed allows slide forward and move the arse off the seat... but for general riding the upper body movment is all that is really needed, should you need to turn faster you now still have some lean angle left so this gives you a little reserve.

I duno give it a try I spose.

[scracha]

Well..sorry to disagree with about 90% of the posters on this thread but I think you's have all been brainwashed by the crazy "keep left" kiwi law.

That road might appear to be clear and visible, but what about Mavis who was coming out of that driveway on the right, looking the other way as comes naturally when she turns left onto the road, all of which was obscured from you by a small rise in the road imperceptible to you in your 220kph crouch until it was too late.

Let me draw you a little picture.

You're just being ridiculous. I don't overtake on corners. I don't overtake past junctions. Many years of riding and training has taught me to slow down and look for an escape route near "blind" driveways and junctions so I'd certainly not be on the wrong side of the road in your example. As for 220kph....ask other riders...120 is my limit. Why do you assume that just because I cross the centre line (a LOT) I ride at crazy speeds?

I only cut white lines where there are no oncoming traffic and I can see right through the corner and well past it. Blind corners etc are a big no no. In fact, I tend to hug the inside on the blind corners for precisely the reasons you guys are talking about....other vehicles cutting blind corners.

And if catch you I'll issue you with a 35 demerit ticket every time too.

Young guys here read your shit - and may well die following your shit.

Scumdog...I clearly pointed out I wouldn't do it on group rides for the precise reason that inexperienced guys would perhaps copy me and not realise when it's safe to do so. But at the end of the day it's not my fault that the motorcycle training and testing is this country is a complete joke nor that 15 year olds can ride RGV250's. I'm not responsible for any other rider imitating me in the same way as it wouldn't be someone elses fault if I were stupid enough to try and copy their knee down antics. As for going splat...if it's so dangerous then why is it legal and commonly practiced right across Europe? I don't see their road death rates being anywhere near as high as New Zealand.

35 points...that's you doing your job so I couldn't complain but the law in this instance is a complete ass as it's just pandering to the lowest common denominator. Next they'll be making the national speed limit 60ph as that too will reduce the road deaths? Speed kills dontchyaknow.

When I start riding on roads again, I'll keep crossing the center line on certain roads as it's waaaaay safer for me to keep my bike nearly upright than crank it over and blindly follow the way the road curves.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Roadcraft-Dr.../dp/0113408587


Dangerous...when you see bikers crossing the line on blind corners then by all means give them hell. Your attempts to justify overtaking another bike on a right hand bend are just daft. Legal or not (if it is legal here then yet another example of NZ law being an ass compared to other countries), it's a stupid thing to do and anyone with an ounce of common sense would know that.

Last but not least....If you disagree with an infraction then take the issue up with another moderator.

[MyGSXF:Me]

CORNERING: The thing I learnt the most at the Roadsafe Courses, that has stuck with me like shit to a blanket.. is cornering!!

Going round a right hand corner for example... while your head is turned into the corner & your eyes are looking towards the vanishing point & sweeping the road back towards you & then to the vanishing point again.. out of your peripheral vision, keep a gap of about an inch, between the edge of your mirror or handlebar (whichever sticks out the furtherest) & the centre white line.. this will keep your bike further over to the left hand side of your lane, which keeps you in a much safer position on the road.. & thus your body & head are no where near being close to hanging over the centre white line, & in the path of oncoming traffic! !! & the same for left hand corners.. using the white line on the edge of the road as your guide!

It takes a little practice to get used to doing it.. but it makes a hell of a difference!!!

I used to have a shit of a time with right handers especially & right from the very first day of the first course I did.. I tried it going home & it made a HUGE difference!!!

Give it a try!

Jen

[MyGSXF:Me]

at the end of the day it's not my fault that the motorcycle training and testing is this country is a complete joke

I disagree!! Andrew & Lynne at www.Roadsafe.co.nz are very highly trained, internationally & are a wealth of knowledge & skills!! They do top quality rider training courses & license testing!

... maybe you should go see them!

[Rashika]

Well..sorry to disagree with about 90% of the posters on this thread but I think you's have all been brainwashed by the crazy "keep left" kiwi law.

we do it cos we know kiwis... cos a few of us are... and we know they dont give a toss about staying on their side of the road, simple really. Self preservation its called.

Why do you assume that just because I cross the centre line (a LOT) I ride at crazy speeds?

cos a lot who do cross the centre line do it cos they are not in control rather than choose to do it

As for going splat...if it's so dangerous then why is it legal and commonly practiced right across Europe? I don't see their road death rates being anywhere near as high as New Zealand.

cos they are probably far more considerate drivers/riders than we are. We are as arrogant as fuck.

35 points...that's you doing your job so I couldn't complain but the law in this instance is a complete ass as it's just pandering to the lowest common denominator. Next they'll be making the national speed limit 60ph as that too will reduce the road deaths? Speed kills dontchyaknow.

Please DONT give em more silly ideas!

When I start riding on roads again...

huh? why aren't you now?

Dangerous...when you see bikers crossing the line on blind corners then by all means give them hell. Your attempts to justify overtaking another bike on a right hand bend are just daft.

why is it daft to pass on a right hander with plenty of visibility? You just told us you will cut a corner in the same instance without a vehicle to pass, why not with one?

The problem is you have 'many years of riding and training' and no matter what you say, others may want to follow you because you have the experience that they do not. And they may mimic you because they look up to you, so I guess we all need to act the best we can when on the road just in case less experienced riders are watching.
I aint perfect by any means, and I do constantly rebuke myself if I'm doing something wrong... but I have learned a huge amount in the last 2 years simply from riding the Buell and following D... and i know I will never stop learning stuff, and goddamn its FUN!

[dipshit]

Well nows the time to think about body placement, rather than lean the bike over further to compensate the negitive camber... lean the top 1/2 of the body to the right, maybe if the speed allows slide forward and move the arse off the seat... but for general riding the upper body movment is all that is really needed, should you need to turn faster you now still have some lean angle left so this gives you a little reserve.

I would agree with this. After all a person's centre of gravity is about in the middle of their chest. That is the bit that needs to be moved to the inside of the centre line of the bike in a corner. Forget all the nonsense about getting your knee out for cornering... try keeping both knees gripping the tank and move your upper body over into the corner. You will be amazed at how relatively small upper body movements can change the bike's line through a corner, as Dangerous suggests.

[dangerous]

I would agree with this. After all a person's centre of gravity is about in the middle of their chest. That is the bit that needs to be moved to the inside of the centre line of the bike in a corner. Forget all the nonsense about getting your knee out for cornering... try keeping both knees gripping the tank and move your upper body over into the corner. You will be amazed at how relatively small upper body movements can change the bike's line through a corner, as Dangerous suggests.

Bang on the money man