Penalised for trying to help

[Shadows]

When someone explains to me how on a clear & visible road hell it's safer to take the line on the left than the one on the right then I'll stop cutting over the centre line.

Lol...it's still fun, it's just you're taking the corners a LOT faster as they're not as sharp.

That road might appear to be clear and visible, but what about Mavis who was coming out of that driveway on the right, looking the other way as comes naturally when she turns left onto the road, all of which was obscured from you by a small rise in the road imperceptible to you in your 220kph crouch until it was too late.

Let me draw you a little picture.

[Spuds1234]

I think what this all comes down to is this:

Dangerous does seem to offer some good constructive advice to some people who need it, trouble is mainly the way that he goes about offering it online.

Perhaps he is joking when he insults someone or everyone, perhaps he isnt but my point is, is that you cannot tell with text alone on a webpage. There are far more things that go into language than just text. Reading the text from a conversation gives you about 7% of the information that the people included in the conversation had. There is no body language, no tone or pitch, no volume. Your just adding those things in your head as you read the text.

I think you should still come along on the rides Dangerous, and when you see something point it out. Hell if I made a mistake I would like to know about it (assuming it didnt result in an obvious accident where I could obviously tell that I'd fucked up like last time ).

I just think that offering advice in person is a way better way to go rather than doing it online as there is a lesser chance for an argument to develop, and if one does its easier to walk away (hell who doesnt feel invincible behind their keyboards?)

If someone plays up on the ride, then we should speak up as a group and tell him to pull his head in and not ride like an idiot (those that saw the incident and as we are ment to be riding as a group, it should atleast be 2 people who saw it). While this is everyones ride, and we should encourage people to ride within their limits (maybe some are higher than everyone else's) but stupid shit on any ones part should not be tolerated on a group ride.

[RiderInBlack]

One thing that often runs in my head went out riding is:
Would I like ta met me, or one of the other riders I'm with, coming the other way?
This has only got stronger since here about Loosebruce and DSS3's deaths. Wish they had been thinking about that.
Tributes to LooseBruce and DSS3
Farewell to good friends

Least we forget.

As for the PM sent to me, as far as I'm concerned if a rider is being a dick, then he should count himself lucky that someone cares enough about him/her ta give them some abuse about it. Better that than the Hospital or the Morgue.

[Big Dog]

If your intentions were good fuck the infraction. Wear it with pride.

So they may not listen... that is not your problem.
Your problem is how you will feel if you missed the opportunity to offer them some good information that may save their lives. It may not also but you gave them the choice to listen or to cry to a mod.

Every opportunity I get I give people a good talking to on line or in person, never name names on line though, if their actions put themselves or others at risk.

You never know, the person with whom you had the issue may not be the life you save, it could be the life of someone else who is listening and see's some of their own riding in the discussion or who realises that they have chosen the wrong hero.

You don't have to save lives, but how will you feel knowing you said nothing?

[TonyB]

We havent riden to geather for a year and the ride you are refering to was 2yrs ago, this new crusade of mine is just the latest improvment I am trying.. I will always be trying to improve MY and other riders skills... I am no saint and infact often a right dumbarse, how else would I not know of the dangers if I havent experanced them.

Well said D...badly spelt but well said

I always thought the idea was to look as far ahead as possible, BUT use your perhiperal vison to ensure that you are still on the outside of the corner until you get to the point where you want to turn in. For me, turning in too soon is a sign that I am starting to feel uncomfortable with the speed I'm doing, and its time to slow down a bit.

[oldrider]

These sort of people do everything the same way, you just can't help them!

But keep trying Dangerous, just keep on trying! Cheers John.

[Mikkel]

Keep it up D - keep giving the advice. Even if only 1 in 10 will listen and remember, it might still make a difference!

One thing I think a lot of people fail to appreciate, especially when starting to learn, is a saying which is more or less derived from Socrates DA MAN!

"The more I learn, the more I realise I don't know!"
(And ultimately, the wise man is the man who only knows that he knows nothing.)

I guess a lot of things could be said about the delivery - but I for one am not doubting that you got good intentions! My recommendations would be to chuck some smileys in there - it makes everything go down much better. I.e.:

"D you're a fucking wanker!!!"

or

"D you're a fucking wanker!!! "

Then again, it depends on the result you're trying to get... Oh, and we know you aren't a wanker - congratulations on the pregnancy!

As for practicing what you preach, I don't buy it. I'm certainly not going to not drink alcohol until my kids would reach an age where I thought it would be alright for them to drink. The same thing goes for sex, driving cars, riding, etc.
And yes, it's a fair comparison... If D has been riding for 24 years and someone has been riding for less than 5 they could well be considered children in that aspect.

[Mikkel]

Oh an regarding the infraction... I don't think that was justified at all.

Good thing these things can be reversed - and let's hope that the merry merry Ho ho ho Christmas spirit will soften the evil evil moderators heart to such a degree that he might grant D a merry Christmas as well

[Mom]

Offer advice mate, dont stop. Centre lines are actually there for a reason on our roads, with out them people seem unable to KEEP LEFT at all!

Racing lines are all well and good but they belong on the track not the road.

A bit more than 25 years ago a friend of mine was running late for work, tooted his horn as he zoomed past the shop, he was dead 5 mins later. This on Woodcocks road ( a well loved bike road in these parts) on a wide sweeping right hander with heaps of visibility, them corners can be very dangerous! Personally I stay my side of the line, them corners are fun that way!

[Rashika]

No, passing on a corner is just fucking stupid. Passing a motorcycle on a corner is retarded. Seems like you're the one doing dangerous riding.

Nothing wrong with apexing a right hander on the rhs when the road is clear. Nothing wrong with going on the RHS of the road prior and after a left hander if the road is clear too.

I dont understand... you seem to think its fine to cross the centreline for no reason 'cept to straighten the road out (and why would any biker wanna do that?) but not in order to pass a slower vehicle -car or bike or other (given the way being clear in both instances)? Why not for passing? Its actually safer for passing, as the manouvre is over much quicker, than on a straight road.

That road might appear to be clear and visible, but what about Mavis who was coming out of that driveway on the right, looking the other way as comes naturally when she turns left onto the road, all of which was obscured from you by a small rise in the road imperceptible to you in your 220kph crouch until it was too late.

Let me draw you a little picture.

Yep and it is a very real possibility. It seems to tug some memory of such an incident happening to a rider not so long ago here in NZ.


Ah well I wasn't gonna comment, but I cant help myself.
Firstly: ta to all those who have commented on my 'condition' Just cant shut a ginga up at times
2ndly: Yeah he is not always the most tactful, but means well. I personally dont think the post WAS off topic (very on topic actually), but I guess K just didn't want all the ruffled feathers running to him again. Gotta keep things all so pleasant, I mean we are all so PC eh?

Hope you are all having a bloody fine xmas and staying away from those roads if you have had a couple. Nothing i need to worry about for a while, haven't Appletisers come a long way, they actually taste nice... I'd forgotten!

[Mikkel]

I dont understand... you seem to think its fine to cross the centreline for no reason 'cept to straighten the road out (and why would any biker wanna do that?) but not in order to pass a slower vehicle -car or bike or other (given the way being clear in both instances)? Why not for passing? Its actually safer for passing, as the manouvre is over much quicker, than on a straight road.

Indeed a sweeping right hander with 100% visibility is the best place to do an overtake, period. However, that's assuming that your "prey" isn't going to cut the corner - and it seems that Kiwis are actually more likely to cut a corner if they see anyone who's about to overtake. It's all about staying in front at all times while sitting 5 km/h below the speedlimit it seems...

Hope you are all having a bloody fine xmas and staying away from those roads if you have had a couple. Nothing i need to worry about for a while, haven't Appletisers come a long way, they actually taste nice... I'd forgotten!

Good on ya for having a few christmas drinks - but I'd be careful or the PC crew might take offense to you drinking while having your condition
Have a nice one, and as was said, stay the fuck away from the roads after having had a few!

[GaZBur]

Ok.. So, Im concerned about fellow riders... but Im not allowd to comment in threads about rides I DO attend.
What do you guys reckon...* also would like to add in last weeks ride there were 2 bins alone

I take it your infraction was for posting the right stuff in the wrong place. I also reckon seen as you asking for opinion, that if you are getting through to a few who are dangerous to themselves and others - do what you doing now. If your advice is being ignored then you need to find a safer group to ride with coz if there have 2 bins on a social ride you are probably riding with a bunch of fecking idiots, and one of them could take you out!!! You need to take care of yourself too mate! OK, I have had a few bins this year through going too hard, ON THE TRACK. On the road I ride like everyone is about to swing in my path or pull out, can't see me etc etc.
Bling to Shadow for you neat pic as this is just soooo common.
If you are riding with people who regularly cross the centre line you are riding with the wrong people - keep away from them. If you want to get by them make sure you pass on a straight when they aren't likely to try a pass too.

[dipshit]

So, all ye advice-givers, I'd like some. On right-handers I do find myself drifting inexorably towards the centre-line, and although I've rarely crossed it, I'm sure there's been situations where my head and body have been in the oncoming lane. Often it means I have to change lines mid-corner to get back where I should be.

How to avoid this? Where should I be looking? Or is it a simple matter of delaying the apex as long as possible?

Sounds like perhaps you are taking more of a classic line through corners.??

A 'late turn-in, late apex' approach (slow in, fast out) works good for street riding. You will need to roll the bike into the corner a lot quicker in the initial late turn-in phase, but you will have more control over where you put the bike on the road for the rest of the corner. A 'late turn-in, late apex' line generally allows you to get on the gas a lot earlier, so if you need to change your line mid corner for that unforeseen bump, dead cat, or to give more room for an oncoming car... you can more easily and you also have the option of getting off the gas if need be.

[dangerous]

If your advice is being ignored then you need to find a safer group to ride with coz if there have 2 bins on a social ride you are probably riding with a bunch of fecking idiots, and one of them could take you out!!! You need to take care of yourself too mate! .

Na, the thread where I was infracted was a newbee mid week cruzie ride, I dont normaly ride with this crew, but was asked to attend to help out... the guys asking took my advice on board and were thankfull.
I usually ride with a group that has pleanty of experance.
The problem came cos I saw wild antics by several other riders and I thought Id offer advice, taken in by some but taken as offence by others.
At the end of the day I want to help out and keep motorcycling grwowing in NZ.
But my posting safe riding and the results that unsafe riding can result in on the ride threads brought on a few anti members and PC mods.

[dipshit]

That road might appear to be clear and visible, but what about Mavis who was coming out of that driveway on the right, looking the other way as comes naturally when she turns left onto the road, all of which was obscured from you by a small rise in the road imperceptible to you in your 220kph crouch until it was too late.

Let me draw you a little picture.

Yep, It's always the one you don't see that will get you.