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    Quote Originally Posted by White trash View Post
    It's almost 24 hours on and I still can't see how this can be allowed to happen in the "fair" sport of New Zealand Road racing so I'll throw a scenario at the masses and see if someone can't explain it for me. I'll try and lay it out as factually and unemotionly as I can for ya.

    At sign on and scrutineering, every rider got a little event pack with a program, a race schedule and rule pamphlet, a heap of advertising crap and a bag of rashuns. The riders schedule and rule sheet states under Practice, it is just that, practice. Please take this session to learn the track and guage the conditions, these lap times will NOT count towards you qualifying time.

    During the riders briefing, we were all told the same and told, "If you choose not to ride in qualifying, you will start from the back of the grid, no exceptions"

    Qualifying rolls around and it's soaking wet. By no means dangerous but a little slippery. All the privateer bikes were out there giving it their best shot, sliding around and riding hard to be as far up the grid as possible. Qualifying times come back and we'd all done well. Jason Hulme had a blinder, as did Carey Briar qualifying 3rd. I finished 7th right between David Lees and Neil Martin on the second row. Jay did well as did Glen Wiliams. We were all pretty happy as if you start from the front two rows here, you've got a good shot not getting trapped in the first turn off the start.

    We all arrive at the dummy grid to take our positions, I'm told you're 12th on the grid. I said, "No, you're thinking of Stroud, I'm 7th and far better looking" Lady says, "No, we've amalgamated your first practice and qualifying times. You're 12th."

    The three Bernard team Yamahas, NONE OF WHOM RODE IN QUALIFYING are accross the center of the second row ahead of us and a black K6 750 with a number one plate has travelled from the third row to the front row, bumping most of the privateers back at least one row, in some cases two.

    After race one a group of us descended on race HQ to make our opinions heard. After lengthy discussions we were told that "We've made our descision, that's how it stands, we're not changing it and what could we do anyway" It was suggested that the riders who had gained so much through the impromtu rule change perhaps loose the results to that race or start from the back of the following race but we were told "No, those riders earned those positions, we can't take it away from them now. It's no use complaining as our descision is final"

    We asked who the riders rep was as I'm sure it wasn't mentioned in the briefing and no one could tell us. An hour later it was announced over the PA that it was Darryl Dowman.

    I'm wondering how coincidental it is that the major event sponsor is also the main sponsor for the team that the rules were changed to suit?

    Alot of rider and sponsors threw a heap of money into getting to this event, put up with the changing weather, rode and made descisions is in a calculating manner and their efforts were for naught. They also miss out on a good chunk of prize money that was potentially theirs.

    So, please discuss, tell me I'm wrong to feel cheated and give me a good reason.

    On another note, a huge congratulations to Craig Shirriffs. There was a bit of talk he'd find it tough on the thousand 'round there and once again, he stamped his dominance on the field. The man's a legend. Hat's off to you buddy.
    I think you should have a chat to your mate Guido...get him to make a few calls...???
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    sounds like you got a bit ripped off, is there a tribunal?? that you can protest to

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    It's a pity that the politics of this sort of thing is of no interest to the media. Mind you, the bullshit that passes for 'running the country' is, yet nothing changes.
    You have nothing to be embarassed or ashamed of, Jimmy
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Jimmy, it seems you and the other riders have been shat on from a great height. It's tough enough being competitive against the big budget sponsored riders as it is, but to be shunted down the field as you guys were smacks of a complete rigging.
    It's bloody ridiculous, maybe motorcycle racing died yesterday at The Cemetery Circuit eh!!


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    Welcome to New Zealand celebrity racing. It has always been this way since I started racing (sometime in the 80's) It is not just a Wanganui thing, I've seen such bullshit at just about every race series I've been in. Most clubs indulge in this pandering to celebrities. Get used to it buddy. Complaining will do nothing with these star struck bozo's. And I heavily suspect these celebrities were tipped off first, hence no stars out in qualifying eh. Yep, business as usual in NZ motorcycle racing.

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    Shame really

    Why bother running qualifying laps if they take no notice of the times. Really sad.
    I live in Wanganui and this year for a long time I boycotted the meeting in protest because they threw out the classic sidecar event. But the farm bikes ran.

    I have heard from several long time members of the WM-Club that they have a right dickhead running the show now and listens to nobody. He was the guy calling the shots I believe yesterday.

    What happened yesterday would never happened if Joe & Barbara Lett were running the show. I would be protesting to the WM-Club itself with enough complaints, the executive committee will have enough power to relieve Mien Fuhrer of his duties. Or at the AGM he will be arsed out of the top job.

    Please come back all you guys that got ripped of. I am sure that the Wanganui MC club receiving enough complaints will act on it. To put on a better race day next boxing day. We here in Wangavagas love to see you hard working privateers winning over the corporate backed machines and riders.

    Also I think this event should be a two day-er boxing day and the one after. It;s big enough now imho.
    Also Daryl Dowman no longer owns any shares in Dowman Honda. It belongs to his partner Geoff Keown I am told. So it is Keown Honda now.

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    What sort of prize money is on offer for these street races?
    The older i get the faster i used to be.......

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    I think the privateers need to make a big stink about this and so should us as the public it would have been great event if privateer who put everything on the line to qualify in the wet actually won.

    Jimmy how many of the non privateers did the qualifying session and please don’t tell me none of them?

    It’s the same story with the engine thing we talked about at puke. As the public and privateers we need to stand together and make a big issue out of the blatant unfairness of the current NZ superbike champs.

    Who do we need to contact from a public sector for changes to happen?
    Second is the fastest loser

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teambwr47 View Post
    What sort of prize money is on offer for these street races?
    With the current setup $0 for the private sector (Ps my opinion)
    Second is the fastest loser

    "It is better to have ridden & crashed than never to have ridden at all" by Bruce Bennett

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    Mind you - I was thinking about this as I was doing the recycling and there is another side to the argument... Since when has any competitive sport (and particularly motorsports) ever been 'fair'? Like it or lump it, from F1 to AMA to bathurst it is always about maximising your opportunity and if that means bribes, leaning on the organiser, fixing the rules committee then thats what happens.

    Actually - theres hardly an era when one team or nationality / engine config has not had some kind 'advantage' due to the arcane rules of the day. Why do they do it? Because in 12 months the result is still in the book and everyone has forgotten how it was achieved... How many GP's did MV win? Racing against who???

    Perhaps you need to get your own 'fixer' ??

    I'd vote Hitcher for Jimmies Gixxer Fixxer

    (ps - this is just another reason I stopped being intersted in motor sports)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nasty View Post
    I would put in a formal complaint about this to MNZ ... 1. not telling who the rider rep was .... 2. changing the rules. These are things which those running the event should be sanctioned on as it is unacceptable.

    Assuming that events transpired exactly as WT described I absolutely agree.

    Make a formal complaint to MNZ in writing asap. You've already got sa good draft on this thread :-) It would help if the others effected did so to. If you don't do that, guess what happens at Paroa etc etc etc...
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    Did the riders who benefited from this have any comment?

    Given that there's money (sponsorship) involved, can you sue? Can your sponsors sue? Can the paying spectators sue? Waste of money to see a rigged event.

    I suppose it'd be a pity if it killed the event for ever, though.

    Richard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teambwr47 View Post
    What sort of prize money is on offer for these street races?
    The prize money is quite good for the top place getters in all the classes. But I can't seem to find it documented anywhere. You'll have to get someone with entry forms to let ya know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rashika View Post
    They want all motards there anyway, so I guess let em.
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo600 View Post
    Maybe you should buy a motard mate, they seem to like those there these days.
    Are organisers giving special treatment to motards?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rashika View Post
    Personally, tho I like motards, a whole day of em is kinda boring. And until they do a Greymouth offroad bit in a st circuit, motards are just another roadbike, and not that interesting to watch.
    Agreed. Motards are awesome but you need the screaming 600-1000s out there as well. And the motards weren't even slding into corners properly. Hopefully I'll have a motard in time for next years race, as I said last year

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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch008 View Post
    Make a formal complaint to MNZ in writing asap.
    I think thats exactly what i will putting together tonight and get it signed but fellow punters who feel this is just not right. I think I will raise both this issue as well as the unfair rules. So if there is anyone with some suggestion send it to me I will put something together. I dont want racers to tell me what there thoughs are this is for the punters to get the antention of MNZ so that when we have a group of riders lining up on the start grid we are for sure going to get the best action in NZ if not the world.

    The things i think off is
    1. What happend this weekend with the grid.
    2. The "open" engine rule. ie A guy like jimmy is down 10 - 20horses down on the factory riders even after spending a heap of money.


    Maybe nothing will come off it but what if something does change!
    Second is the fastest loser

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