Cemetary circuit 2007: Farce

**Swoop** · 27th December 2007, 18:57

That's just not on. Moving the goalpost is one thing, but when you are already lining up for the grid??? Lunacy.

The only conspiracy that can be thought up: Someone didn't like Miss December...

**Dak** · 27th December 2007, 19:08

Originally Posted by Shaun

Write to the CLUB President, and boss of the day!

include a self addressed envelope, for a return ( IF)

fivemacs@xtra.co.nz Lloyd McKenzie

**ynot slow** · 27th December 2007, 20:35

The good ol' health and safety bullshit,ffs it is motor sport,all motor sport is dangerous,let alone telling guys on the grid,even dummy grid go back a few spaces and don't winge,that could definately be classed health and safety,get a really pissed off rider with an attitude stuff this, he's gotta fall off,one crash so to speak.

Motards-we don't see street bikes at a moto x do you,they are good to watch,but not at expence of a true road class,if it was a 2 day event add all the claases and keep everyone happy.

Next meet if it happens everyone effected boycott,if it happened again next year and riders went on strike,the public would stay away the next year,the takings would plummit and sponsors would not get a return on their glory imports.Maybe after a couple of slow years the message might get through to the organisers.

Maybe get the crew who run the ocean view speedway run the race,they will hold the NZsuperstock champs in Feb 2008,last meeting of NZ champs was well done.

**sunhuntin** · 27th December 2007, 20:39

Originally Posted by ynot slow

The good ol' health and safety bullshit,ffs it is motor sport,all motor sport is dangerous,let alone telling guys on the grid,even dummy grid go back a few spaces and don't winge,that could definately be classed health and safety,get a really pissed off rider with an attitude stuff this, he's gotta fall off,one crash so to speak.

i think the sidecar pile up that resulted in a punch up was more dangerous to health and safety, to tell the truth. [bugger i was at the other side of the track and missed it!]

**White trash** · 27th December 2007, 21:18

Well the support offered thus far is overwhelming, thanks guys. Before we go lynching anyone however, it needs to be said I have no idea who instigated the idea of changing the rules. I'd hate to see ANYONES name dragged through the mud due to speculation on a public forum.

As it stands now, I'm severly pissed off at the organisers not just for their moving posts after the game had finished but their total apathy towards the situation it caused and a total lack of willingness to even TRY to put it right.

Just had another thought, waht's the name of the TV show covering the event? Got something to do with Korean built 4WDs and people movers don't they?

A letter to both MNZ and the WMC will be drafted tomorrow. Any competitors that would like to help with the proof reading and add their name to the bottom of it please PM me.

**Toast** · 27th December 2007, 21:44

It's bullshit that this happened, no question. It didn't really harm me since I only did one lap on cold slicks in qualifying, but I'm gutted for you Jimmy.

What's really just sad though is that the top riders and their teams, for whom the decision was made to benefit, knew what was going to happen and took advantage of it. Ok, no definite word on that, but come on, they wouldn't have stayed in the tent if they thought their boys would start from the back.

Sure it's sport and there is money involved, blah blah...but if they're really so good (and they are better than the privateers), why couldn't they just order the monkeys to change their bikes to wets and go out there and qualify on the front row within the rules? Zero honour. Cocks.

Having said that, I've not had so much fun racing for a long time. I hope they at least admit they're wrong. Even if they don't, I just hope that the racers keep going. If the same shit gets pulled again, at least we know what to do...and that will be almost as much fun as the racing.

**Nasty** · 28th December 2007, 05:21

Originally Posted by White trash

A letter to both MNZ and the WMC will be drafted tomorrow. Any competitors that would like to help with the proof reading and add their name to the bottom of it please PM me.

I am not a competitor but am happy to read the draft for you ...

cheers
Kari

**Kickaha** · 28th December 2007, 06:28

Originally Posted by White trash

Just had another thought, waht's the name of the TV show covering the event? Got something to do with Korean built 4WDs and people movers don't they?

A letter to both MNZ and the WMC will be drafted tomorrow. Any competitors that would like to help with the proof reading and add their name to the bottom of it please PM me.

Good idea right there, you should send it to the event sponsor as well

**Cajun** · 28th December 2007, 06:47

Originally Posted by White trash

Just had another thought, waht's the name of the TV show covering the event? Got something to do with Korean built 4WDs and people movers don't they?

Sanyong . I think is name you are looking for

**Coyote** · 28th December 2007, 07:08

Originally Posted by twinshock750

...the $35 ( I think it is) protest fee to the MNZ steward.

What?

You have to pay to get any help from them?

**White trash** · 28th December 2007, 07:11

Originally Posted by Cajun

Sanyong . I think is name you are looking for

Interstingly, the same as the main event sponsor and a certain Yamahahaha team.

What's going on here?

**limbimtimwim** · 28th December 2007, 07:47

Originally Posted by White trash

Just had another thought, waht's the name of the TV show covering the event? Got something to do with Korean built 4WDs and people movers don't they?

Says here TVNZ will screen it on the powerbuilt (tools) motorsport show.

**Deano** · 28th December 2007, 07:57

Originally Posted by limbimtimwim

Says here TVNZ will screen it on the powerbuilt (tools) motorsport show.

From the article.

"Cemetery Circuit '07 is set to be even bigger and better than previous years, on December 26 the racing around the streets of Wanganui, which is sponsored by SsangYong New Zealand and Pirelli Tyres, will not only be televised for screening on TVNZ's Powerbuilt Motorsport, but will be beamed live to the World over the internet. "

I have just sent an e-mail to someone in the know asking how this situation came about - I may not get a response but it's worth a shot.

**anarchy** · 28th December 2007, 08:14

As a wanganui virgin (bike 34 mobile stroud chicane(sorry andrew)) and junior member of Team Hard On Racing I'd like to add my 2 cents worth. Quite frankly I was very disapointed with the way the meeting was run, I like the majority of the non factory backed riders went out in the very wet qualifiing (hell I new I would be starting at the back but at least I went out) I slipped and slid my way to 29th (out of 30 who went out) and was extreamly stoked to find that the rest of the team had pulled out a stunner and managed a credible 6th Dave Less (thanks for lending me your 750 after you saw what I did to the harris) and 8th Neil (Doc) Martin both of whom had qualified in front of Andrew stroud 12th (Good on him for going out in the wet like the rest of the kiwi's) like the rest of us I was stunned with Glen's amazing front row qualifier (dude your a Leg End). I must say here that it was good to see at least the kiwi boy on the yellow bike went out and qualified (unlike his team mates).
Stoked and scared sh****s I rocked on up to the dummy grid to find out we had all been pushed back so that a bevy of yellow (fitting color) yamaha's could be slotted into the 2nd row and Andrew had also been moved forward.
Ok not much that we could do about it there and the boys pulled out a another bliner with credible top ten finishes and davey kicked a bit of yamaha butt even with them burgling his grid position but the bit that really got us going was the attitude of the "officials" when we went to lodge a formal protest (royal runaround comes to mind) the boys were literally sent from one person to another right up to the point where the boys needed to get back to there bikes for the robert holden rnd 1. And even when they did get to voice their very valid concerns they were then given the safety concern BS.

It seems to me that rather than a safety concern (lets face it if they cant get past us backmarkers they shouldn't be there anyway, and they didn't seem to have any problems towards the end of the races, n) it was either done to nake good TV (why even have qualifying lets just line the front rows with big names) or to please the people with the big $$$$, and while I applaude the big guys for supporting these races us little guys also put huge amounts of time and money into putting together a prossional team.

Brian if your reading this I and the rest of the guys are very dissapointed that you would allow a team running under your banner to act in such an unprofessional and under handed mannor Thats just not Criket dude.

Andrew while you at least qualified I noticed you didn't turn down the front row when it was offered.

Questions MNZ and the Wanganui MC need to answer
* Whats the point in the rules if you guys are going to change them on the fly?
* Why weren't the riders told about the grid position change before they got to the dummy grid ? (we all got the sheets to see where we would be placed).
* Why wasn't the riders rep anounced earlier ? (not that he seemed to be much help anyway)
* Why were we given such a run around on the day ?
* Exactly how much does it cost to get on the front or second row? (I think I will get out a mortgage for next year).
* Who do I give the money to ? (un-marked bills in a plain envelope OK?)
* What if anything can be done now?.
* Brian Will you do any thing? maybe the prize money your guys burgled should be put up as prizes for the none factory riders at Paeroa.

**limbimtimwim** · 28th December 2007, 08:18

Originally Posted by Deano

"Cemetery Circuit '07 is set to be even bigger and better than previous years, on December 26 the racing around the streets of Wanganui, which is sponsored by SsangYong New Zealand and Pirelli Tyres, will not only be televised for screening on TVNZ's Powerbuilt Motorsport, but will be beamed live to the World over the internet. "

Yes, however WT was referring to 'Ssangyong Speedmachine' and 'Ssangyoung Speedweek' which screen(ed?) on Prime TV.