End of year review - car + fuel-card or pay rise??

**carbacca** · 30th November 2007, 08:55

right i got my end of year work review coming up in about 1.5 hours. been at this job for about 9 months now, and i am 2 years out of uni.

the thing i cant make up my mind about is should i ask for a payrise or perks like car + fuel card etc? i spend about $70 every two weeks commuting so that would be a fair saving for me. that and i am out of the building 2-3 times everyweek, so i do have a moderately solid excuse for a vehicle (i have to pinch my managers car now but it gets a big funky when we both have to be out and about in opposite directions)

and also anyone else got any ideas/tips on how to go about these things?? its my first real review that actually means anything (rather than those probationary ones which are like "your doing good, keep at it")

**vifferman** · 30th November 2007, 08:58

Generation Y.

**Devil** · 30th November 2007, 09:05

Originally Posted by vifferman

Generation Y.

I was just thinking the same thing, and im only mid 20's!

**Devil** · 30th November 2007, 09:06

Carbacca: I think you'd be pushing shit uphill to get a car.
Work through your review, see where it goes, be happy with a payrise if you get one.

**ManDownUnder** · 30th November 2007, 09:10

It'd as delicate balance but on the face of it I'd suggest you work on delivering the goods to the company before you start asking for the goodies.

Unless you're an absolute superstar those things you're talking about are reserved for the higher ups and to mentioned/ask for them is going to give you the reputation of being in it for you...

What they want to hear is that you are ambitious, want to grow and are willing to invest in them - but you need their help (win win). Find training you want to do, ahve them put you on a course (1 per year... possibly 2 is acceptable).

Your review should be functional frank and honest. I need help doing this - this training would be good for me... where do you (the company) see me being in 5 years. What do I need to work on to get there... etc Knuckle down, give them the goodies, and they will do the same in return when the time is right.

Edit - re transport... they should either be recognisins you for it (i.e. payng you going rates /km whatever that is) or if not then that's fine... you need to use whatever transport is available at the time. Manager's car, taxi ... whatever. Take it from a purely ffunctional point of view though. Look at it as "how does the company need to get this done"... not "what's in it for me.

The company will work out the best way that suits them and all will be resolved. Anything unreasonable (i.e. use you bike and we won't pay parking or fuel for the work stuff") should be pointed out as unreasonable. No big fight - just tell them it's money out of your pocket to do that which needs to be compensated or mitigated somehow
Trust me.

**James Deuce** · 30th November 2007, 09:11

Fuck, a payrise?

You realise you have to leave and go to another company to get one of those these days, eh?

You're about to find out about everything you've done wrong all year. I've had one review in the last 15 years where I had a mature discussion with my manager about successes and failures. It was a unique and pleasant experience. That manager no longer works here because of a fundamental difference in values with his manager.

Good luck. Shit! Asking for shit in a review. This is going to end badly.

**LilSel** · 30th November 2007, 09:21

I start my new job Dec 14th

... Company car+Fuel Card

plus plus plus... hehe... I cant wait!!... going to sell my Subaru as will have a Modeo for work/personal use... and finish my Mini for a show car... & upgrade my bike when I get my full in March

... & I think I've finally decided what bike im going to get... vtwin mmm!

oh... ummm... back on topic... car+fuel card = better than pay rise unless your payrise will be 10-15k!

Edit:... and what MDU said

**Ocean1** · 30th November 2007, 09:25

Bit late I suppose.

But before such a meeting break out your job description, go through the various responsibilities and key performance targets. Note where you've exceeded targets or made fundamental improvements in processes. The idea is to demonstrate that you’ve supplied a service better than that you’re contracted to, and improved the company’s profitability.

The standard response to this is “We don’t have the budget to pay you that”.
The standard counter is “So you can’t afford high performance HR assets?”

Luck dude, you get nothing for nothing, work to improve your value to them and make sure the right people see it.

**carbacca** · 30th November 2007, 09:28

from the vibes i feel from my manager....i have been doing everything right. infact leading up to the review hes been TELLING me if i feel i am worth more then i should tell him. i m not sure if i should take that as a hint or whatnot

at the end of probation review apparently he gave me the highest score he had ever given which is kinda the reason i got the balls to ask for anything anyways

more background stuff: director annouced a base payrise of 3% to EVERYONE, how this works is you get a score out of 100 in the review and you get a percentage of 3% based on your score, in my case from the scores i got last time i think i am pretty sure i would get at least 2-2.4%

**Toaster** · 30th November 2007, 09:32

Originally Posted by carbacca

from the vibes i feel from my manager....i have been doing everything right. infact leading up to the review hes been TELLING me if i feel i am worth more then i should tell him. i m not sure if i should take that as a hint or whatnot

at the end of probation review apparently he gave me the highest score he had ever given which is kinda the reason i got the balls to ask for anything anyways

So what is it that you do for a living? - at 2 years out of uni and thinking of getting a company car etc as part of your role.

**vifferman** · 30th November 2007, 09:34

Originally Posted by carbacca

In fact leading up to the review hes been TELLING me if i feel i am worth more then i should tell him. i m not sure if i should take that as a hint or whatnot

at the end of probation review apparently he gave me the highest score he had ever given which is kinda the reason i got the balls to ask for anything anyways

Well, in that case, you have nothing to lose in asking for more, as long as :

You are prepared to be knocked back, and don't take it personally.
You aren't "over the top" in what you ask for (but do ask for a bit more than you expect you'll get, and be prepared to negotiate).
You don't make any threats, excessive demands, or arrogant statements.

It sounds like you're in a good position to negotiate, so don't blow it!

**ajturbo** · 30th November 2007, 09:39

Originally Posted by LilSel

& I think I've finally decided what bike im going to get... vtwin mmm!

get that XBR12...... (buell)

**imdying** · 30th November 2007, 09:54

You're sure to get a rise of $5k or more, so you'll be better off taking the monies!

**imdying** · 30th November 2007, 09:56

Originally Posted by Jim2

Fuck, a payrise?

You realise you have to leave and go to another company to get one of those these days, eh?

You're about to find out about everything you've done wrong all year. I've had one review in the last 15 years where I had a mature discussion with my manager about successes and failures. It was a unique and pleasant experience. That manager no longer works here because of a fundamental difference in values with his manager.

Good luck. Shit! Asking for shit in a review. This is going to end badly.

You'll be pleased to know that the entire company isn't run in that fashion