Weapons of Mass Acceleration
Why is it so many judge God on the basis of many a foolish man's poor choices and perversions of "faith"? Just becasue we are a bunch of idiots, doesn't mean to say God is. It's our fault the world is the way it is - we can only blame ourselves and those before us. We made our choices.
Hardcore Biker
But then a father trying to protect their son whether right or wrong is not a loving father?Originally Posted by Toaster
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tell your son the truth.
the truth is that he can believe what he likes, that's his choice, but what he believes may not be the truth.
fubs I've e-known you for a few years now, you can trust me....
Weapons of Mass Acceleration
My comment was in relation to con's post about his kids. It was not made in reference to your situation. Very frustrating for you indeed - I hope it gets better.
Hardcore Biker
tell your son the truth.
the truth is that he can believe what he likes, that's his choice, but what he believes may not be the truth.
fubs I've e-known you for a few years now, you can trust me....
That is true he can believe what he likes and that is his choice, but when someone has a greater oppourtunity to influence him over the other then is he getting a balanced argument?
Please don't remind me of the years Bounty
Sorry for the misunderstanding
Forum whore
You pinned that possibility on him when you got a divorce. Too late for regrets, just love him as you would if hadn't have followed that path and you'll both be fine
Iiimbecile-baiting since 2007
No, a religious childhood is never good. Children, on the whole, are crying out for information and learning. The Jesuits used to (and may still do, for all I know) claim "Give me a child for for his first seven years and I'll give you the man". They knew, as most religions do, that if you brainwash kids enough when they're young and impressionable, most will never fully unlearn the things they've been told. No child has the mental capacity to understand the over-reaching concepts of faith or deism. To force this stuff on children is bordering on child abuse. Check out chapter 16 of God is not great, by Christopher Hitchens or Chapter 9 of The God Delusion by Richard Hawkins for more information.
Oh yes ... full pirate regalia to be worn at all times.
According to Christian belief, salvation comes with faith, no matter at what point a person finds that faith. This being so, surely it would be better and fairer to the child in question to allow him to form his opinion free of brainwashing and indoctrination and when he has sufficient mental capacity to do so- i.e. when he's an adult?
One of life's little mysteries, that one, along with how everyone has to be considerate about offending the religious, but no-one gives a flying fuck about offending those who actively believe there is no God.
Science and religion go together like deep-sea diving and basket-weaving. They are diametrically opposed to each other. Science is about reason, logic and proof. Religion is about blind unquestioning faith in the inexplicable. Sure, there have been some attempts at mixing the two (the farce that is intelligent design, for instance - nothing more than a not-particularly-veiled attempt to have religion posing as pseudo science taught in schools), but history has shown that the usual role of religion in science is one of destruction. One has only to look at the repeated attempts of the Vatican to silence and discredit those who have proposed theories that disagrees with Catholic teaching.
Ignoring the obvious response to that question (as god is man's invention, what else do we have to go on?), it's rather obvious you haven't read or understand that book you obviously place so much faith in. Genesis 1:27 states "And God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them". This is backed up by Corinthians 11:7 - "For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man".
If, therefore, we are a bunch of idiots, god is too. We are, after all, created in his image. Usually, the 'free will' argument is rolled out at this point by the religious, to which there's a pretty easy counter. If one accepts the Judeo-Christian interpretation of god as being omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, god knows about what's going on and has the power to change anything he doesn't like. The fact, therefore, that he doesn't respond to or prevent the myriad of vile acts that are carried out in his name can only be down to one or more of a very limited number of reasons: 1) he doesn't care, 2) he can't respond, or 3) there is no god to respond.
The reason so many judge religion on the actions of its adherents is that there is absolutely sod all verifiable evidence to counter it.
I like bikes
Did your parents stop you from doing things that would hurt others-or did they let you make your own choices.
Everyone gets to think what they like, thats the beauty of it all
"Not one day that we are here on this earth has been promised to us, so make the most of every day as if it was your last, and every breath ,as if it were the same"
L-Plate Rider
Well I'm gonna chuck my 2 cents worth at this particular subject, one that I like many have been searching for answers for for most of my life.
Our history goes back further than the 6000 odd years than the Bible tells us, we all know of the legend of Atlantis, and the lumerian races and post deluvian chaos, many legends do go way back in time, the Hopi indians, Mahabatra etc to numerous to mention.
There was many Historians believe to have been approximately 400 or so scriptures dating back past the bible, Constantine it is believed got rid of many to suit the religious governance of the day, the Vatican had something like 88 ancient manuscripts and tinkered with them for a time, and I believe the Arch Bishop of Canterbury wittled the manuscripts down some more to the 66 books that make up the official King James version that we have today again to suit the governance of the day.
One thing that amazes me is that simple things like for intance Harry Potter appeases to peoples emotions - is this good marketing? or is it something in our DNA memory that gets tickled by the thought of Dragons, Griffens and other Mythological creatures?
What about Giants? the Biblical Nephilim (research Anunnaki and Nephilim)that are starting to be unearthed today attached some pictures.
At this point it appears that the Bible was a really good way to control the Masses and when I was a child, coming from a non-religious family the Ministers from both Catholic and Protestant Churches used to come to school once a year for religous instruction, when I told one of these pontificating pillocks that I did not believe, they told me I was going to go to hell, for fucks sake I was only 8 at the time.
Fear of death, fear of God, fear of living that what in my opinion it was designed to do "ie CONTROL"
These days we have more modern means to do that "Television" and the "Subversive use of sacred symbols in the media" thats how they do it nowadays.
Iiimbecile-baiting since 2007
They did both, luckily. That's how one learns.
Yes, and everyone should be able to believe what they like. Which is all the more reason that religious nonsense shouldn't be rammed down the throats of those too young to comprehend the ramifications of what they're being brainwashed with.
Some religions (Catholicism and Islam, mainly) are guilty of some horrendous acts agaist children. I'm not talking about the tens of thousands of children raped by priests or the little boys pressured into becoming suicide bombers, I'm talking about priests using their authority to scare the living daylights out of small children. They first tell the child that hell is place of eternal suffering and pain; a place from which there is no escape or respite. (Hindu hell is a little different - sinners may be sentenced to a number of years in hell, depending on the magnitude of their sins.) The priest then goes on to tell the child that he is a sinner and will certainly go tl hell unless he - the child - repents his sins and lives a life according to Catholic dogma.
Mary McCarthy, in her book Memories of a Catholic Girlhood remembers her shock at learning from a Jesuit priest that her Protestant grandfather - her guardian and friend - was doomed to eternal punishment because he had been baptised the wrong way. Luckily, she was a precociously intelligent child and refused to let the matter drop until some higher authorities had been consulted and a loophole in the writings of Bishop Athanasius discovered, who held that heretics were only damned if the they rejected the 'true' church with full awareness of what they were doing. But what an agony to subject an 11 year-old girl to. And how many other children, less curious than Mary McCarthy, simply accepted this evil teaching without question?
Kittyhawk4Doc
There is only one god....and that is anyone who is in the biker species.
The right time, place, road, bike, headspace...that is god... saviour that moment....you are at total freedom on the road!!!
Yep bikes are a religion.
My bass is such a slapper.......I cant stop fingering those strings
Kittyhawk4Doc
I should never read while half asleep....all I saw from this post "very frustrating for you"
ok, so there is a 2nd religion.....SEX!!
My bass is such a slapper.......I cant stop fingering those strings
Hugz nao plz!!!
From religion to bikes to sex in only two posts!
That's impressive Kitty, even for you
IT'S PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME!!!
Do the peanut butter jelly, peanut butter jelly, peanut butter jelly with a baseball bat!
Hardcore Biker
I see religion as a way to control the masses and try to answer the age old question "what is the meaning of life"
Every civilization on every continent has some form of religion no matter how remote they were, all of which attempt to give purpose to life. Whether it be one or mulitple gods, religion tried to explain what they couldn't control like storms, floods and plauges.
For me I'm happy to think that there is nothing after, it doesn't concern me and doesn't affect my ability to strive and live. Some people can't live life without purpose so use religion to find purpose.
Then you get groups like City Impact, Destiny and some of the TV evangelists that don't seem to be short of a few $$$, they seem to take away peoples ability to think for themselves. Ask anyone that has lost friends and families to these groups, once they join they try to convert you, you resist and you never see them again.
Deus ex ukulele
Please keep this thread on topic. Any "religious" discussion will be miraculously transported to the "appropriate" thread...
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