is anyone turning up?
thinking about giving it a go cause its just down the road for me and have fairly good results there in the past, although didnt race there last year
are the bucket guys fron chch coming back? or turned off after last time
Hardcore Biker
is anyone turning up?
thinking about giving it a go cause its just down the road for me and have fairly good results there in the past, although didnt race there last year
are the bucket guys fron chch coming back? or turned off after last time
now where's some dirt!
hey paul, how's it going?
Yeah I have raced Wanganui and Paeroa on the 125. Definately a better proposition with no motards there, make it quite dangerous (I had a few close calls) on the street tracks. If you're up for it then go for it. Just remember that there is no room for error and if you stack it then there's a high chance it could be bye bye bike.
As far as setup goes, gear it low but not too low. You can get too low geared and have to change gears too much. May be a good idea that you just use the first 4 or maybe 5 gears. Too difficult going into and out of the corners then.
Good luck
Queen of Chief and Victorious
only 2 from chch going this year, total 5 in buckets prepaid (so far)Originally Posted by nsrpaul
Short story: sent a letter to complain re last year in Jan, got an answer in Nov that didn't really encourage anyone so most made other plans.
Like to go again sometime, but not till they sort their act out a bit (I dont fancy being almost run down by a so-called pacecar again), and that is only gonna show on the day, so I guess most will be waiting to hear how this one goes.
Have fun if you do get along.
I think TonyB and Diesel Pig are the 2 I know of going from Chch
"Do not meddle in the affairs of Buells, for they are subtle and quick to wheelie!"
--J RR1000 Tolkien
yank tank at Glenorchy 2006 rally
Una Storia Italiana
Not me mate, and theres only 2 of the club members going.
You ask why, well look at the fucking disgracefull obortion of last year. As BMRC president I sent a letter to the nelson committee, but never heard back till I hauled Daren over at greymouth and had words. Now in his favour he did get on to it that wek my email was finely answered... but reading through it ther aint going to be any changes of benifit, and by that I mean safety.
cheers DD
(Definately Dodgy)
Hardcore Biker
thwy would be rooted without darren, he is the brains behind the outfit for sure
it was an abortion for a reason
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I know, just replyed to the other thread my thoughts on Darren... top bloke.
and like I said... none of the issues we had were solved asfar as I could understand the letter I recieved.
In case people were woundering here the letter the BMRC sent the comittee.
To the race organisers,
We would like to thank you for organising the Nelson Street races Jan 2nd 2007.
Unfortunately we have several areas of concern that we would like to raise with you, in order to help you improve the event for 2008 and make it worthwhile for us to attend in the future. The issues are from members who attended the racing this year as competitors and were disappointed with several areas of the event.
Riders briefing.
There was effectively no riders briefing, at least not one that covered the basic aspects of the racing to come. It was very difficult to hear and as it was interrupted by one person who seemed to take it entirely off track. Unfortunately because of that person a lot of people left the briefing unclear of some of the rules covering the event, such as how to exit the track after racing, as was shown by quite a lot of people entering the pits via the dummy grid exit.
Pace car/Marshalls.
There was an extreme lack of knowledge shown by some Marshalls.
• Allowing a competitor out on the track for the warmup lap, directly in front of the pace car. Luckily the competitor did not become an ornament for said car, which was in all honestly travelling much too fast to be the 'Pace' car, by rights a vehicle that sets the pace rather than 'races'.
• Why a pace car was needed for racing that starts by a flagdrop is uncertain?
• Not allowing another competitor to complete the last lap before several marshalls were walking out on the track in front of him.
• While accidents are often a normal circumstance of racing, it was incredible that the Motard rider with his sidestand down during the last 10 lap race (the King of the Port race) was not black flagged and seemingly went unnoticed for the entire race. Many of the spectators and several of the competitors in the race noticed it, but not the Marshalls.
Yes we understand that Marshalls are often volunteers, and may be inexperienced, but these are basic and quite DANGEROUS errors to have been made, not what we would expect of an organised street race.
Order of racing.
Due to the nature of the classes, post classics riders are often also classic or F4 riders and the races are usually separated by another quite unrelated class to afford these riders time to change bikes. Unusually this didn't happen at Nelson, but a suggestion for future would be for F4 and postclassic races to have a race in between.
Number of races per class.
One area that is quite important to our members, was the lack of racing for some classes. Advertised as racing for F4(buckets), Post classic and classic, it is understandable that some classes may get combined due to numbers, but to decide that halfway through the races and not even announce it to the competitors in simply astounding.
There were AT LEAST 8 Post classic riders who were also racing in the F4/classics class, and all of them missed out on racing due to the 2nd race being combined with F4/classics. Meaning that effectively, after bringing 2 bikes for 2 separate classes, they got a total of 2 races for postclassics plus 1 for F4/classics. Those that only had F4/classics bikes, also only got 2 races.
Why the lack of racing for these classes when all the other classes had 3 races, and the motards getting 5 races? At least they could have completed the round and had a 3rd race for postclassic and/or F4/classics, but no, not for those last classes. Considering all the competitors paid the same money, there is NO excuse for allowing some classes a lot more racing than others. This is one area that will need vast improvement in order for our riders to contemplate competing next year.
If classes need to be combined this should be made VERY clear to the competitors before the race starts, preferably at acceptance of the entry or at the very latest, at riders briefing. The chaos that accurred at the start of that combined race was extremely dangerous as no-one seemed to know what was happening when the flaggie jumped up to hold back various riders on the start grid, after flagdrop. There was total confusion, resulting in all the various classes starting off in different groups, and not a fair race for any of the competitors.
Although there seems like a lot of issues raised here, there was a lot of positiveness about the actual racing of the day. On a final note, we would like to say how much we did enjoy the racing but feel a little let down about the lack of races for our classes. We would like to return again, after a lot of our members having raced at several Nelson st races but after the issues from this event most of us are having serious doubts as to the value for us to return.
We hope that you are able to shows us that most of these issues will be sorted out for the next event, so that we can return, and enjoy the sport we all love... motorcycle racing!
Written on behalf of the Bucket Motorcycle Racing Club,
and the competitors named below;
BMRC President: Darryl Dawson
Kevin Orr
Brent Cotton
Gwenda Willams
James Gleenie
Mike Stein
Neil Batchelor
Glen Capill
Darryl Cotton
John Jarvie
cheers DD
(Definately Dodgy)
L-Plate Rider
First, glad to see they continue first and foremost.
Darren and his sister were the whole package as far as making the races happen at all when I lived in Nelson and sponsored the race in 1999 >> 2001 thru the Wakatu Hotel I ran at the time. Money, well rather the lack of it had always handcuffed the vision that was shared for the future of the event. Safety though was always a great concern, riders know or should know the basiscs, and those who are new should have a clear and very well (Q+A )/ race brief by the track steward. What worred me most was the spectators and the lack of marshall's clearing the worst of the tracks bad spots of spectators ( hairpin ) and a mate Clive had his leg badly broken when he made a dash into an accident to push some small kids out of harms way, just in time, but was hit for his reward. Spectators, and not bad press releases will be the future of this type of event. Please don't ever think that by not showing up, or taking part that you are effecting a positive change, show up be safe, race, and effect the changes that are best for the long term health of the event by speaking up loud and clear at the event, at the right times to the right people. These people, and they are very few in number, work their asses off, make no money at all and in the past were more often than not out of pocket themselves at events end. Living in Western Canada now after 15 years in New Zealand, I can promise you but one thing.... you racers and fans in a few spots in New Zealand are blessed with the types of street races, as are the local buisness's that help out. Support them and make changes that make them better / safer, don't ever turn away, because here in Canada in my area, the promises made by government about replacing tracks like Westwood when it was being developed into housing resulted in empty promises and no racetracks, and no racing. Never forget how fortunate you are, and long may it continue.
Rob Timco
Lavington BC - Canada
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Sorry Rob but I dont agree, I am not willing to risk a serious acco which will be the end of the street racing for good... perhaps I should post up the committees reply, reading it shows me they are not changing much of the problems at all, I do not and will not be apart of something Im not happy about.
I am to far away to be of any help with the setting up of the PNSR but I do help organise local events and its really not that hard... with the right people.
Street racing is a very important part of racing in NZ, I dont want to see it stop but one death and its all over.
cheers DD
(Definately Dodgy)
L-Plate Rider
Dangerous,
Mate don't get me wrong, I would never race in an environment that gave me that foot in the grave feeling. During the mid 70's in Canada the USA and more so in Europe racing was dangerous, very dangerous, riders died proving it regularly. But riders like Kenny Roberts, Barry Sheene took the fight to the promoters / organisers to make it better and safer. Progress not perfection as the saying goes. Get involved as best you can, and make it better. Most importantly help it contnue.
Canada Rob
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Yip understamd that... Darren has wacked up a 2nd morgage to help pay for the meet, I wish there was more I could do but like I say Im to far away to be of any real benfit.
cheers DD
(Definately Dodgy)
L-Plate Rider
Darryl please post the committies reply always good to see both sides of the story was at the races and the word around is that they will not run buckets next year and are looking to do some thing with pro twins. You say that you have put race meets to gether but have you ever done a road race I think not ,I have done and you are right its not that differcult its f.....differcult it takes almost a full year and you put your neck on the line its much less work to turn up on the day and pay your money. You are also right if you dont feel safe dont go after all road raceing is not safe but it is great fun to watch.
on the road again
Hardcore Biker
I've ridden street circuits 22 times, Nelson my first time and the 10th new circuit.
A typical industrial/reclaimed land circuit, the classic"P" shape and plenty of cambers, raised/sunken manhole covers and surface types. No problems.
As usual, in practice you go through sections where you think "80% only here"
you can't afford to get this wrong, and consider the "fruitcake" factor (the do or die wannabes who outride their ability) around you.
I rode 4 bikes in 4 consecutive races and had a great time. The organising was all good: friendly, efficient, helpful and common sense where needed.
The only problem was the usual one, too many avoidable delays meaning we all missed out on our third race. And who caused the delays? The dumb riders binning it all over the place..... Please, please if you're gonna ride street circuits STAY ON THE BIKE. It's not just your own bacon on the line, it's the other riders who miss out, and we all know a BIG accident will see the end of these events. Keep it 80% max riding, good fun, safe and secure for the future
A BIG thanks top the organisers
Una Storia Italiana
sorry man, but I had decided to call it quits on these threads as there are some people that just dont get it from my point a view and Im talking about last year only.
But as I have not spoken with you here I'll do a quick reply.
NO I have never organised a road race... my point was, I know whats involved in organising a track meet, its very involved and a pain in the arse... so I can well imagine the effort put into a road race, so much so that I doubt I'd have the time, effort and money to do it, in fact I can say that I wouldn't so I am in total gratitude to those that do.
I want to return to Nelson to race as does my partner, but this year the reason we did not is that she is pregnant and ill to go with it, so theres no way we could have been there. I really do hope that they do not can F4 cos if they do there is a high chance we wont be back and that proberly means a lot of the club members wont either. Last year there was 12 alone that race pre82 and F4 from our club at nelson and the numbers have growen over the last year, we get up to 45 racers at a meet here in F4 and I will add most now have pre 82 bikes.
cheers DD
(Definately Dodgy)
bucket blingster
Why not just race ya Pre 82 and relax a bit between races?
Also, you never did get around to posting up the reply from the Nelson as mentioned in this thread?
http://nzsbf.co.nz/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1697
Una Storia Italiana
some times you make no sence Gav, thats a thread from a different forum and a thread I havnt even posted on
re: racing in one class only, why when for no extra cost I can race in two classes... I didnt buy a F4 bike to look at un like some here
cheers DD
(Definately Dodgy)
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