New Zealand Power (from Don't Vote Labour)

[sAsLEX]

they will change the coal fired power stations to Kitten and Puppy fired,

Might need to soon
http://stuff.co.nz/4342184a13.html
Greenies have fucked our power supply

[Mully]

Might need to soon
http://stuff.co.nz/4342184a13.html
Greenies have fucked our power supply

Fuck.

They wont be happy until we are the laughing stock of the developed world, will they?

What annoys me more, is that this country can't even have an open debate about the pros and cons surrounding nuclear power. As soon as someone uses the "N" word (nuclear), they get screamed down.

[smoky]

Fuck.

They wont be happy until we are the laughing stock of the developed world, will they?

What annoys me more, is that this country can't even have an open debate about the pros and cons surrounding nuclear power. As soon as someone uses the "N" word (nuclear), they get screamed down.

What - you f......n retard, don't start that bullshyt around here. Keep your Nuclear holocaust ideas to your self you imbecile, don’t you know anything – you want to kill our environment, destroy our clean green image, where do we put the waste? Huh – come on!

Something like that

[sAsLEX]

where do we put the waste?

Thats too fuckin easy..... Australia..... along with Russel Crowe and whoever else they decide to steal

[RiderInBlack]

Thats too fuckin easy..... Australia..... along with Russel Crowe and whoever else they decide to steal

Why not. The US have. Part of their dessert is radioactive due US nuke testing years ago.

[Mully]

Something like that

Yup, that's it. Almost exactly like that.

[rainman]

Perhaps you would Bryan Leyland a bit more believable: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0712/S00060.htm

Don't know him but I think his organisation may be inclined to downplay the climate change angle informing the energy policy in question.

Besides, I don't disagree with the broad premise that unless we keep burning fossil fuels our energy supply will be less reliable. That was the "well duh!" bit of my first post. I just think this is a necessary but unfortunate consequence - continuing to burn fossil fuels as we have done is no longer a defensible, moral, or acceptable option. I'd welcome someone finding a magic technology solution that allows business as usual (recent advances in solar look promising) but don't believe it's a foregone conclusion that life should be the same tomorrow as it is today.

[cowpoos]

What - you f......n retard, don't start that bullshyt around here. Keep your Nuclear holocaust ideas to your self you imbecile, don’t you know anything – you want to kill our environment, destroy our clean green image, where do we put the waste? Huh – come on!

Something like that

this a pisstake?? nuc power is the esaiest/cheapest/eviromentally way forward...its redculass that NZders can't see this...but then it makes to much sence!!

[Mully]

this a pisstake?? nuc power is the esaiest/cheapest/eviromentally way forward...its redculass that NZders can't see this...but then it makes to much sence!!

Fuck, I hope it was a pisstake. I green blinged him for it for helping make my point.

[smoky]

this a pisstake??

Of course - don't take me seriously (ever)

[smoky]

Fuck, I hope it was a pisstake. I green blinged him for it for helping make my point.

I hope Hitcher doesn’t chuck this in PD

I agree with your comments to a degree, but I don’t think NZ needs to head down the ‘N’ track – despite the ignorance around it’s benefits, I think the benefits that come from being Nuclear free are greater.
And I think we have a country that lends it’s self to efficient production of non fossil fuelled power with out it.
The future is having far more efficient homes with less reliance on the national grid, alternative power supplies like personal fuel cells running on sea water – just need to invent it.

[Jantar]

Yes, it was a pisstake.

The idea of nuke power has been debated on here a number of times, eg http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...742#post594742
Nuclear power is not suitable for New Zealand, and it has nothing to do with waste, risk, cost or anything similar. The reason it isn't suitable is because Nuke stations are Base load only, and New Zealand is a variable consumer.

Not one of the major political parties understand that, and they continue to debate the waste, risk, and cost.

[k14]

Yep exactly right Jantar ! The whole history of us going nuke free was a cock up from the beginning. All it was supposed to do was ban nuclear weapons (quite rightly) from our shores. Banning nuke powered ships (which are as clean if not cleaner than the hundreds of diesel powered ones that arrive here every week) and power generation was short sighted by the gvnmt. But I digress.

Even though its regarded as pretty dirty, coal is probably the most viable short term solution. There is a bit of gas around but nothing of significance. There's still plenty of scope for hydro but the RMA quickly puts a stop to that.

You north islanders better pray for a windy winter next year or you're gonna have 1 night a week in the dark

[sAsLEX]

You north islanders better pray for a windy winter next year or you're gonna have 1 night a week in the dark

No way


http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Caravans-motorhomes/Accessories/auction-134773130.htm

[Mully]

The reason it isn't suitable is because Nuke stations are Base load only, and New Zealand is a variable consumer.

Thanks Jantar, please feel free to chuck this is a new thread if you like.

I'm just trying to understand "Base Load" for my own understanding.

I assume Base Load means that you can't vary the output quickly? How does this vary from the Coal/Hydro etc that we have now? Can they instantly adjust for demand? And how could wind or solar adjust? Would we need enormous batteries to store power that was surplus when it was generated?

Personally, if nuclear wasn't a valid option, I'd favour tidal power, combined with solar at a household level.