Do you tell 'em?

[sweetp]

hey, good thread! I agree I would tell people, never had to but that it cause I am the newest rider in my little group and I am the one that people tell how to improve! But my thoughts are that these people are a. more experienced than me and b. able to "see" me whereas I am in the moment. I think if you cant take a bit of well meaning constructive critisism then you are a wally.

[chanceyy]

funny you say that. It also seems that "ride your own ride" means "Dont ride faster than me" I dont like the speech because it *shouldn't* be nessacery (sp?) but finding lately that sometimes it is.

as ppl who ride in a group regularly & the experience grows I kinda think this needs to be said at times ..

(manawatu riders have their own personal spokeswoman).
.. only for my own rides .. unless someone else asks me too

Personally I have no issue at all with outright speed. But things I do not tolerate (and that means I throw my toys out the cot and if people dont like it then tough shit) is
undercutting.
passing on blinds.
dropping in on corners.

I am a bit more PC but will mention things like passing too close to oncoming traffic and dropping in on cars in corners.

if it needs saying it needs saying .. being a newbie rider I would much rather be told than build bad habits (well more than I have at the mo)

see above in blue

[nodrog:Me]

People don't listen to free advice. Free stuff obviously isn't worth anything.

what he said. have tried to offer people constructive advice before, it just falls on deaf ears. they think that because you pass them and arrive at your destination a minute or 2 earlier that you must have been riding on the edge like a mad fucker, therefore your advice is null and void.

now i tend to only offer comments to people i know wont get all pissy and sook about it.

[James Deuce]

I'll expand on my answer.

One rider whom I took gently aside to request a larger following distance and to calm down a little was dead a week later.

On a corner on which I had specifically demonstrated lines that keep you quick but on your side of the road.

He crossed the centre line and hit an oncoming vehicle. On that very corner.

Be careful to whom and how you say it. I've given up since because the people who most need to hear "it" consistently prove they aren't going to listen, until they are dead, significantly crippled, or no longer riding due to one scare too many.

You must be joking if you think that the person you "talk to" is going to do anything other than try to "prove" you wrong.

Some of the people in this thread who say they would have a chat, ride at velocities that I consider to be brazenly waving a "pick me" sign at the be-scythed and hooded figure we have invented in our collective consciousness to embody Death.

Two Up FFS. You're no example.

Like Hitcher, my riding friends are either significantly better riders or have a significantly better attitude to riding a bike on our roads than I do. It keeps me alive.

[skelstar]

Like Hitcher, my riding friends are either significantly better riders or have a significantly better attitude to riding a bike on our roads than I do. It keeps me alive.

Amen to that. If you haven't a hope of being as quick then you have nothing to prove and no-one to impress.

[DMNTD:Me]

Blah blah blah

[kerfufflez]

[COLOR="Lime"] But things I do not tolerate (and that means I throw my toys out the cot and if people dont like it then tough shit) is
undercutting.
passing on blinds.
dropping in on corners.

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Ahem, *Ignoramus alert*
What is undercutting? (Passing on the left of another bike?).
And I've no idea what dropping in on corners is.
Please relieve me of my ignorance, thanks.

[xwhatsit]

This thread looks like it could turn out to be quite exciting

As a beginner, I really appreciate any advice, especially if I'm doing silly things. Hopefully as I gradually turn into an `experienced rider' as the years go by my attitude towards receiving advice doesn't harden. I don't like being told what to do, but with things like motorcycles it's wise to forget one's pride. Don't be a self-righteous twat about it and you're more likely to get a positive response. With some people, at least.

dropping in on corners.

What's that?

[DMNTD:Me]

As a beginner, I really appreciate any advice, especially if I'm doing silly things. Hopefully as I gradually turn into an `experienced rider' as the years go by my attitude towards receiving advice doesn't harden. I don't like being told what to do, but with things like motorcycles it's wise to forget one's pride.
Don't be a self-righteous twat about it and you're more likely to get a positive response. With some people, at least.

You appear to be a wise young man

[James Deuce]

He's definitely not normal.

[mstriumph]

i'm thinking about it from the other end of the equation

me - if i was acting like a twerp, and the person that told me WAS SOMONE WHO's RIDING I RESPECTEd, and if they took me aside before they told me to pull my horns in ----------- well yes, i'd take that on board and would appreciate it

but if it was just someone i had ridden with - speaking up about his opinion of my riding in public [without being man enough to say it to my face] - to make himself look 'big' by trying to make me look small [yes - it has happened - and on here] i'd put it down to where it came from, grin and ignore it

after all, how can you respect someone's opinion if you can't respect THEM?

so i answered 'it depends on the circumstances' because it really ISN"T a yes/no answer?









and no - of COURSE it wasn't SPman - HIS riding and opinion i respect

[MaxB]

Wow...now we're being referred to as fuckwits eh? Well excuse me/us for showing an interest in your riding...believe it or not the advice given may even save you arse one day,but hell feel free to continue on your quest for ignorance!

I have no idea as to why you think any of us have had a serious go at you(re the speeds that you ride at)...farking incredible but it seems that you have some issues(if not volumes) that you need to sort out.
Apologies for trying to help...good luck on your journey of ignorance.

'journey of ignorance' great phrase, made me laugh.

[Shadows]

Ahem, *Ignoramus alert*
And I've no idea what dropping in on corners is.
Please relieve me of my ignorance, thanks.

What's that?

I take it as somebody overtaking you under braking just before a corner and dropping into it front of you.

[kiwibryn]

Having only been back in the wind for about 9 months, I am only just getting my confidence back for riding with others. It doesn't help when I get passed on corners by pricks who appear out of nowhere (Heading into the Manawatu Gorge on sunday 13th from the Woodville end... two bikes doing about 120 or more... and passing on double yellows) and I would be inclined to verbal anyone who was pushing the limits and endangering other road users... regardless of how big he or she was.

[Gremlin]

Depends who it is, and whether or not you know how they ride really.

I've seen fast boys getting told off by some stranger, when they weren't going fast at all, so it can be a matter of perception. My yardstick is risk to others I guess. If you do dumb shit around other people, you are risking their lives. If you want to do dumb shit completely by yourself, then hey, its your life.

At the same time tho, if I see them constantly screwing up, then yes, I would mention it to them. Some have ruefully admitted to being off their game, and I have suggested relaxing a little. Some people don't mind being told, and they realise that its true, and have changed.

That said, few buggers are bigger than me... so if they're nasty back, I'm not too fussed (even that big pussy riding the red zx14 )