Sideslipping a Pitts?

[Grub]

or fly a 'spitfire' approach - kind of like a glide approach flying a curving/descending base/finals from abeam the upwind threshold.

Called the "Buzz and Break". I think it's 1,500' over the centre of the field and if you do it right you touch nothing until touchdown. Have tried it in the sim but never in the air. Can't do it in the sim, no spatial awareness

[Grub]

and its also a good way to center a thermal with engine back to idle.

Only had that once and it was awesome! Got on the wave just approaching Fairlie/Burkes Pass in ZK-CXN. Throttle closed and going up at 1,500ft/min to the transition alt, had to call CHCH Control and grovel. Oh and we were at MAUW on leaving NZCH so we weren't light and fluffy by any means.

Didn't last long though did it ... a wave's a wave and there's no free lunch.

[Pussy]

The C172 is not permitted to side slip with flap applied. That doesn't mean they won't do it though, just that the manufacturer doesn't approve. It is a perfectly acceptable manouver to reduce height should the flaps fail, and its also a good way to center a thermal with engine back to idle.

Been bloody ages since I flew a 172, but from memory the placard says "avoid slips with flap extended", not that it's a big no-no. Bit like "avoid walking into the rotating propeller". Just the Americans covering their butts

[Jantar]

Only had that once and it was awesome! Got on the wave just approaching Fairlie/Burkes Pass in ZK-CXN. Throttle closed and going up at 1,500ft/min to the transition alt, had to call CHCH Control and grovel. Oh and we were at MAUW on leaving NZCH so we weren't light and fluffy by any means.

Didn't last long though did it ... a wave's a wave and there's no free lunch.

I did one flight from Omaka to Alex. Flight time was just over 4 hours, but the Tacho time was just over 2 hours. Our club charges on tacho, not hobbes.

[Grub]

Been bloody ages since I flew a 172, but from memory the placard says "avoid slips with flap extended", not that it's a big no-no. Bit like "avoid walking into the rotating propeller". Just the Americans covering their butts

From memory wasn't it the slip blanketing the tailplane with flaps on the reason they canned the 40deg flap setting on 172's? There's something in the little gray cells about that - I'm pretty sure that they attributed a few accidents to that setting and so as Pussy says, took the product-liability low ground.

They're a horrid aircraft anyway, just like american cars ... all soft and mushy with 1950's technlogy still being built.

[marty]

no it's not a buzz and break. that's a way of washing off speed and joining the circuit and looking at the runway all at the same time.

[Swoop]

so you either fly in like this /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/============, sideslip in, or fly a 'spitfire' approach - kind of like a glide approach flying a curving/descending base/finals from abeam the upwind threshold.

Doh! Run that by me again...?

The nose of a Spitfire is quite long and the pilot cannot see ahead and down...
So a long, straight in, approach will leave the pilot guessing where anything (straight ahead) is.
Marty has "drawn" a zig-zag approach so that the pilot can see to the side, and then straighten up just before touchdown.
Alternative #2 is the sideslip approach.
The spitfire approach is a long, descending, curve. This allows the pilot to see the runway out the side of the windscreen throughout the approach and then straighten up for touchdown.

Taxiing the aircraft requires constant weaving from side to side. Think about this and then relate it to the approach.
Clear as mud?

[Edbear]

so you either fly in like this /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/============, sideslip in, or fly a 'spitfire' approach - kind of like a glide approach flying a curving/descending base/finals from abeam the upwind threshold.

The nose of a Spitfire is quite long and the pilot cannot see ahead and down...
So a long, straight in, approach will leave the pilot guessing where anything (straight ahead) is.
Marty has "drawn" a zig-zag approach so that the pilot can see to the side, and then straighten up just before touchdown.
Alternative #2 is the sideslip approach.
The spitfire approach is a long, descending, curve. This allows the pilot to see the runway out the side of the windscreen throughout the approach and then straighten up for touchdown.

Taxiing the aircraft requires constant weaving from side to side. Think about this and then relate it to the approach.
Clear as mud?

Ah, cool, thanks! Even I could understand that!

[marty]

i didn't have that much patience cheers Swoop