Farewell absent friends. You are missed.

**Hitcher** · 8th April 2008, 12:56

One of the perennial topics of conversation on this site is moaning about how some shit stirrer has achieved the ire of the Moderators and has been sanctioned for breaking the site's rules and disrupting members' quiet enjoyment. Usually from the aggrieved shit stirrer in question.

Another perennial topic is one which begs the reinstatement of members banned for repeatedly objectionable behaviour. This usually comes from people either in or amused by the antics of those referred to in this thread's opening paragraph.

Another perennial topic is people announcing that they have had enough and are leaving, few of whom actually do in reality. These folks are generally miffed attention-seekers.

More disturbing is the gradual and unannounced departure of members who make a valued contribution to this site, provide experience and services on the site and in meat space, and who make a positive contribution to the New Zealand motorcycle community. They do this not because they expect recognition but because they are folk who like being able to help others.

It is reasonably easy to assemble a list of "valued and positive contributors" who are no longer here. Some have different reasons for leaving, but for many the toxic, abusive, ungrateful and selfish attitude of some members ultimately proved too much for them. Without fanfare these folk have just logged off and never returned.

The world has pitifully few of these people. If the world is anything like Kiwi Biker, then it doesn't deserve them. We are poorer for their absence.

**Fatjim** · 8th April 2008, 13:06

They, like everyone else, should HTFU, GTFU or FTFO.

**ManDownUnder** · 8th April 2008, 13:09

Agreed 100%. Anyone in mind Hitch or just an "about time it was said"?

**Str8 Jacket** · 8th April 2008, 13:10

I miss Paul in NZ. Some people really didnt respect him for the awesome person he really is.......

**yungatart** · 8th April 2008, 13:13

There is a few I miss...I wish my aim was better

Seriously, there are some posters who just quietly disappear along with their valued contributions..its life, I guess.

**Quasievil** · 8th April 2008, 13:19

I agree, KB should be a life sentence

**Joni** · 8th April 2008, 13:23

Originally Posted by yungatart

its life, I guess.

I agree, but I also don’t agree

Yes its life that people change direction and make decisions which affects things....

However, I think this is more KB, than life... some really good people who I care for deeply and respect more than most have left because of this shit some people are set on causing... however I don’t actually blame them for leaving, they are better than the crap, and should move on!

**mynameis** · 8th April 2008, 13:39

Someones missing skidMark

**Hitcher** · 8th April 2008, 13:43

Originally Posted by Fatjim

They, like everyone else, should HTFU, GTFU or FTFO.

Some have done all three. That's why they're no longer here.

**Hitcher** · 8th April 2008, 13:44

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

Agreed 100%. Anyone in mind Hitch or just an "about time it was said"?

Naming names adds no value, other than noting who all the Really Good Bastards who're no longer here are.

**Fatjim** · 8th April 2008, 13:45

Originally Posted by Joni

I agree, but I also don’t agree

Yes its life that people change direction and make decisions which affects things....

However, I think this is more KB, than life... some really good people who I care for deeply and respect more than most have left because of this shit some people are set on causing... however I don’t actually blame them for leaving, they are better than the crap, and should move on!

Actually, some people who I "care for deeply and respect" have been utter wankers themselves at times and deserved a bitchslapping. Should they have left because of it, maybe, but I hope not. The measure of a person is how they deal with an honest bitchslapping, being able to acknowledge their mistakes and get over it. That commodity is one that is seriously laking nowadays, and its not just a KB thing.

However, some have left just because they are tired, not tired of anything in particular, just tired. You know what they say, a change is as good as a rest.

But the most missed are those that never planned to leave in the first place.

**jrandom** · 8th April 2008, 13:46

I'm with Quasi on this one; KB's not a life sentence.

If one finds oneself bothered by losing touch with any particular friend made via these public forums, one can always just write them a letter or email, telephone them, or turn up on their doorstep and presume upon their hospitality for a cup of tea.

There are certainly a few plonkers who post on KB, and frankly, I relish the opportunity to put the boot into any individuals who personally offend me. Aside from that, the posters on the forum seem more or less a reflection of society and human nature; wishing for things to be otherwise is just silly.

Perhaps I just have a particularly thick pair of rose-tinted spectacles?

**Joni** · 8th April 2008, 13:53

Originally Posted by Fatjim

Actually, some people who I "care for deeply and respect" have been utter wankers themselves at times and deserved a bitchslapping.

This is not directed at anyone in particular... but I think my issue comes into it when people have to be bitchslapped (as you call it) and bitchslapped over and over again because of the same old shit, and they don’t alter their behaviour and this starts hurting others... then I start to wonder....

But yes I agree with you.... people do leave for many reasons....

**inlinefour** · 8th April 2008, 14:04

Originally Posted by Hitcher

One of the perennial topics of conversation on this site is moaning about how some shit stirrer has achieved the ire of the Moderators and has been sanctioned for breaking the site's rules and disrupting members' quiet enjoyment. Usually from the aggrieved shit stirrer in question.

Another perennial topic is one which begs the reinstatement of members banned for repeatedly objectionable behaviour. This usually comes from people either in or amused by the antics of those referred to in this thread's opening paragraph.

Another perennial topic is people announcing that they have had enough and are leaving, few of whom actually do in reality. These folks are generally miffed attention-seekers.

More disturbing is the gradual and unannounced departure of members who make a valued contribution to this site, provide experience and services on the site and in meat space, and who make a positive contribution to the New Zealand motorcycle community. They do this not because they expect recognition but because they are folk who like being able to help others.

It is reasonably easy to assemble a list of "valued and positive contributors" who are no longer here. Some have different reasons for leaving, but for many the toxic, abusive, ungrateful and selfish attitude of some members ultimately proved too much for them. Without fanfare these folk have just logged off and never returned.

The world has pitifully few of these people. If the world is anything like Kiwi Biker, then it doesn't deserve them. We are poorer for their absence.

I miss Zed, I met him in person and he is a really good bugger. I wish he was still here.
I also miss reading trhe digs from winja, I know he wont be back probably, but in person he is a good bastard.
I also miss Rayza, we talked in the chatroom and msn alot and I considered him a good friend.

**ManDownUnder** · 8th April 2008, 14:05

Originally Posted by jrandom

I'm with Quasi on this one; KB's not a life sentence.

If one finds oneself bothered by losing touch with any particular friend made via these public forums, one can always just write them a letter or email, telephone them, or turn up on their doorstep and presume upon their hospitality for a cup of tea.

I do, and they do - which actually adds to the friendship in some respects. The formative basis of that friendship has gone, been removed and yet the friendship endures. There are one or two like that, and while I hear from them rarely, I'm all the happier when I do.

Originally Posted by jrandom

There are certainly a few plonkers who post on KB, and frankly, I relish the opportunity to put the boot into any individuals who personally offend me

And points of principle which the masses in society (and KB) seem to gleefully ignore in their longing to be in the crowd as they satisfy their bloodlust on whomsoever happens to be defenceless on the day.

Originally Posted by jrandom

Perhaps I just have a particularly thick pair of rose-tinted spectacles?

Hey if they fit - wear 'em! I do.

Originally Posted by Joni

This is not directed at anyone in particular... but I think my issue comes into it when people have to be bitchslapped (as you call it) and bitchslapped over and over again because of the same old shit, and they don’t alter their behaviour and this starts hurting others... then I start to wonder....

LMAO.... you and I are soooo similar. Leading that thirsty horse back to the water again and again and again get's tiring doesn't it?