Something that REALLY bugs me! Caution - RANT ahead :)

[KATWYN]

explain please. How is it that there is a womens space in uni a maori space a pacific island space etc yet no white male space??

We are now the minority, work hard and get nothing!

hypoocritical is the fact that if you hire a man over a women with both having equal qualities it is discrimination, the other way around it is not . To me this is not either making sense or fair.

Yet no white male space?? How long did white males dominate that
space in history.....maybe its someone elses turn now.

I don't want to get into to much of a discussion on this issue- its sensitive.
on another note, I reakon that young woman today are now paying the price of the womans movement gone too far as well.

[Ms Piggy]

Hopefully not a vas deferens...

No, thats not what I was meaning

[Ms Piggy]

I don't want to get into to much of a discussion on this issue- its sensitive.
on another note, I reakon that young woman today are now paying the price of the womans movement gone too far as well.

Although, don't you think Katwyn, without the extremists nothing could ever change.

I'll stop now for sure. I'll ban myself from this thread!

[HanaBelle]

'Should'? 'Shouldn't'? Your problem, Mr Chucker, is that the sledgehammer of media-inflamed sociopolitical opinion has not yet addressed this question. If, for instance, your rantatory remarks were in relation to the question of 'baccy and the smoking thereof, a legislative framework would stand ready to sooth your troubled id.

But since most people really don't give a toss about *this* question, the Invisible Hand of Adam Smith is the only thing governing its nature.

And, as has been pointed out, ain't nobody gonna get rich from a men-only gym.

If you're truly interested in the more fundamental nature of Right, Wrong, and the various shades of inbetweenism, however, the Scottish thread might be more to your taste.

I'm sure that there are plenty at all of them. I strongly suspect Contours of being a surreptitious and decadent lair of lascivious lesbianism, though.

And I'd appreciate it if none of you popped that bubble for me.

Aha!! I cannot resist....

1. You write far too well to be a puter geek...and
2. **pop** (say no more, evidence aboundeth but some residual fantasies invoke small twinges of caring mercy so we shall refrain from more than the very definite onomatopeic emphatic)

HB

[HanaBelle]

Yet no white male space?? How long did white males dominate that
space in history.....maybe its someone elses turn now.

I don't want to get into to much of a discussion on this issue- its sensitive.
on another note, I reakon that young woman today are now paying the price of the womans movement gone too far as well.

Hitcher is practical indeed. Economics is a matter of fixing supply to meet demand. Who wants to pay to go to a hairy white guy only space? (except other hairy white guys and they are forever getting suspicious about each others sexuality so that will go to hell in a handbasket real fast, spacewise). Oh! RA is pointing out that the KKK have indeed tried to enforce a white only space but perhaps they let their hillbilly girlies in too...

Stonechucker is morally and logically correct, IMHO. There is no justification (not even the rather dull and cliched "well, they are still dominating everything") for denying men the space to be free of a sexualised environment while exercising. Men get a ridiculously small emotional range and suffer all sorts of intensely rough handling on the end of their own (socially toxic) heirarchy behaviour. You brutes, you.

On the other hand, we could all ride?

[Motu]

I'd say a boxing gym was a male only gym - but we now have women boxers...oh dear,where will it end?

[Milky]

There are things like this that get under my skin too... Not just the inequity? inequality? injustice? in male-female relations where one is given preferential treatment beause of historical imbalance. I am thinking in the cases of child custody, teaching, sex offences etc. I am not against women having seperate spaces at Uni, but I have trouble coming to terms with the exclusion for the sake of equality argument.

There is also the point of race, which is more important to me than sex (in the context above). I do not mind the fact that Maori get redress for the injustices done to them in early European involvement in NZ, but when policies are laid out that SPECIFICALLY target Maori people for general welfare it begins to piss me off. It may be that there are more Maori people in poverty/ill health etc, but target the ill health or poverty, NOT the people suffering from it. I am sure that people like John Tamihere or Donna Awatere-Huata dont need the help anywhere as much as white trash living in a trailer outside wellytown

I think the point I am trying to make is this:
Sure there was inequality in the past, but is the path to true equality walked by those who address the imbalance through yet more inequality? Equality is not something that can be reached by adding a bit more to the opposite side of the scales.

Note that I am not sure on the nuances of equality and equity, but I hope I got my point across.

My gym seems to have a few women who want the attention, though. How else does one explain the blonde lass with the tiny waist, big boobs, and round bum who wears clothes that might as well be sprayed-on and whose t-shirt reads "Porn Star"?

I notice that too... The ones with the large messages emblazoned across their chests who then get highly agitated when you stare at their tits reading the message What on earth do you expect? IMHO, men in general try to keep things discreet, but when instinct takes over it can be hard to suppress

[Mr Skid]

explain please. How is it that there is a womens space in uni a maori space a pacific island space etc yet no white male space??

White male space? I believe its called the engineering school..

[justsomeguy]

I agree but then again how many adverts to do with cleaning the toilet or cooking have women doing these things??? Oooo sorry said I wouldn't so I mustn't!

Oh yes, I know. But these are NOT servant women. They are exceptionally well groomed, fit, well dressed domestic godesses who know exactly what is good for thier family. And thanks to them their (poor old) husbands manage to make it through the day.

On average women are portrayed as intelligent and men dumb.

That's what I was trying to say.

[justsomeguy]

White male space? I believe its called the engineering school..

All the white males who would actually use a white male place please stand up - please stand up - please stand up - and put of thier fingers on each hand up............

[Ms Piggy]

Oh yes, I know. But these are NOT servant women. They are exceptionally well groomed, fit, well dressed domestic godesses who know exactly what is good for thier family. And thanks to them their (poor old) husbands manage to make it through the day.

On average women are portrayed as intelligent and men dumb.

That's what I was trying to say.

Yeah you're totally right. As I said, I agree. I hate all thoese adverts too. Especially the ones with the guy changing his baby's nappy and he gets it wrong "What a silly Daddy".

[Ms Piggy]

There are things like this that get under my skin too... Not just the inequity? inequality? injustice? in male-female relations where one is given preferential treatment beause of historical imbalance. I am thinking in the cases of child custody, teaching, sex offences etc. I am not against women having seperate spaces at Uni, but I have trouble coming to terms with the exclusion for the sake of equality argument.

There is also the point of race, which is more important to me than sex (in the context above). I do not mind the fact that Maori get redress for the injustices done to them in early European involvement in NZ, but when policies are laid out that SPECIFICALLY target Maori people for general welfare it begins to piss me off. It may be that there are more Maori people in poverty/ill health etc, but target the ill health or poverty, NOT the people suffering from it. I am sure that people like John Tamihere or Donna Awatere-Huata dont need the help anywhere as much as white trash living in a trailer outside wellytown

I think the point I am trying to make is this:
Sure there was inequality in the past, but is the path to true equality walked by those who address the imbalance through yet more inequality? Equality is not something that can be reached by adding a bit more to the opposite side of the scales.

Note that I am not sure on the nuances of equality and equity, but I hope I got my point across.

Like I said previously Milky, equity & equality are different.

Equality is when everyone is treated the same, IMO that is a bullshit fantasy that will never be reality b/c we've never been equal i.e we all start at a different point, didn't all have the same opportunities etc. Equity is recognising the differences i.e. gender, ethnicity etc, and going from that point to try and right the wrongs. Sometimes certain groups within society need to be treated differently or targetted in order for there to be equity.

[KATWYN]

Although, don't you think Katwyn, without the extremists nothing could ever change.

I'll stop now for sure. I'll ban myself from this thread!

I agree. Take for example 3rd world middle eastern countries where there is no social or economic progression - have you noticed its always the countries where the woman are oppressed that the countries don't seem to get anywhere and yet in other societies where woman are equals, the economies and life in general is thriving.

What is that really saying about womans roles

[Fryin Finn]

I went to a gym once and was checked out by some of the chicks. And I was fully clothed. Must have been the Clipboard I was entering notes into that made them interested. (I was doing a measure up for Gym extensions) Oh I had a camera as well.
If you want a really good workout get yourselves a dirtbike and spend a coupla hours at the MX track

[Blakamin]

I spend all day within 100 metres of a gym (next to work) never been in, never going to... BUT, If I wanted to start a male-only gym area, I would bet $1000 that some woman in the country would be offended by my idea and call it discrimination..... probably wouldn't be a KB'er, but some woman in this country would have a problem with it!

btw... the "womans day" ads are pathetic... "smarter than men in every way" ???
if a bloke's ad did that, it would've been banned by now!