Anybody see Close Up at 7 tonight? Even if you didn't

[Jamezo]

Hot damn, I feel like a rant, let me make myself clear:

Eminem fans are poser faggots.

It's musical bullshit, yet through clever marketing, his corporate owners have managed to put a nice friendly white face on rap (which is musical bullshit to start with), making it 'cool' to be a stupid faggot.

In closing, the world would be better off if all Eminem CDs had some kind of mechanism that castrated the person who opens it.

comments? dancing monkeys? E = 1/2 mv2 ?

[Hitcher]

So much for the concept of freedom of speech.

Let's round up some witches and have ourselves a hangin'...

[Paul in NZ]

EXACTLY!

Music without a banjo and fiddle and a slide guitar ain't shit!

Paul N

ps You commin to the wellie bbq?

[Paul in NZ]

So much for the concept of freedom of speech.

Let's round up some witches and have ourselves a hangin'...

You see the sort of damage rap music does?

You don't HANG witches! You BURN em! Of course ya gotta dunk them first though (makes them harder to burn) but it's a tradition or an old charter or something...

Paul N

[Hitcher]

You see the sort of damage rap music does?

You don't HANG witches! You BURN em! Of course ya gotta dunk them first though (makes them harder to burn) but it's a tradition or an old charter or something...

Nope. I don't see the damage rap music does. It's not my choice of repertoire but there's lots of folks that are into it.

You only burn witches what float! My way removes any ambiguity...

[Jamezo]

it's not so much the 'damage' done to young people's impressionable minds, but more the fact that they are throwing their money into the coffers of The Corporate Beast, for a product completely deviod of musical value.

[James Deuce]

Hot damn, I feel like a rant, let me make myself clear:

Eminem fans are poser faggots.

It's musical bullshit, yet through clever marketing, his corporate owners have managed to put a nice friendly white face on rap (which is musical bullshit to start with), making it 'cool' to be a stupid faggot.

In closing, the world would be better off if all Eminem CDs had some kind of mechanism that castrated the person who opens it.

comments? dancing monkeys? E = 1/2 mv2 ?

Eminem is from a city with a predominantly black population, with hideous social issues. If Eminem is the "friendly" white face of rap then you haven't been listening or watching. Eminem is one of the foremost commentators of the injustices of both white trash and African American culture. Race isn't an issue with Eminem, but he reflects that values of a massive chunk of Urban white and African American youth. Ignore that little bit of info at your peril, because like it or not, the most diseased vagrant living in the shelter of a freeway underpass in the US has more political, military, and economic might to reinforce his/her "right" to be a bum than any other human being living or dead.

If we were to apply the standard NZ rule of consensus taking the day, your opinion is worth, oooo, about, well, nothing.

Pop back under a rock for twenty years and see if we "catch up" to your musical taste when you pop back out.

[James Deuce]

it's not so much the 'damage' done to young people's impressionable minds, but more the fact that they are throwing their money into the coffers of The Corporate Beast, for a product completely deviod of musical value.

If you've ever bought anything with "brand" (including CDs of music YOU like) you've done the same thing. Even "unbranded" stuff now has a marketing value. You're gonna have to catch up and stop taking this stuff a little less seriously.

The stuff you like IS anathema to someone else with different taste. So what. Just enjoy what you like with out the evangelism.

[Blakamin]

it's not so much the 'damage' done to young people's impressionable minds, but more the fact that they are throwing their money into the coffers of The Corporate Beast, for a product completely deviod of musical value.

Arghhh... there be a Pirate on the horizon, cap'n
shiver me timbers and me peg-leg will get cold

[riffer]

Yup Jamezo, looks like you got caught up in the same old thing that people throughout time have - not understanding where someone else is coming from and writing off someone as having no creative talent due to the fact that you don't identify with what they stand for.

I caught a lot of this sort of flak growing up with the whole punk/new romantic/rasta/metaller/breakdancer thing in the 80s. Playing in bands which tried to combine and mix various genres of music I found myself presented with audiences reactions ranging from the imbercilic ("play some Motorhead") to the ignorant ("why do you play reggae its n*&*r shit") through to a few who understood and appreciated my need to fill my head with as many different musical styles as possible.

Music is like writing - you don't learn a lot about writing by only reading Stephen King - although he has written a few entertaining books.

There is merit in any form of musical and creative expression - even if you don't like the method of expression.

By writing someone off because you don't identify with them you limit yourself from experiencing something possibly novel and enlightening.

I'm not saying you'll get that from Eminem - but I will defend to the end his right to express himself in the form that he chooses to.

As for record companies - don't get me started there....

[Jackrat]

it's not so much the 'damage' done to young people's impressionable minds, but more the fact that they are throwing their money into the coffers of The Corporate Beast, for a product completely deviod of musical value.

I don't listen to him but he's as relevent to those that do as The Rolling stones or Bob Dylan were/are to me.
You sound just like the OLD farts that put them down,for much the same reasons.
So what have you produced?

[Blakamin]

As for record companies - don't get me started there....

Or me...deal with the F*&^ers everyday!

I'm a metal head from waaay back.... and I reckon eminem is cool!!!

[mangell6]

Its all in the message I'm no go and find a mother to f . . . .. . cos thats what the words say.

It is all a battle cry between factions that live in the city, its where it all started, sort of like Opera - words that you don't understand with a musical beat thrown in.

[Jamezo]

If you've ever bought anything with "brand" (including CDs of music YOU like) you've done the same thing. Even "unbranded" stuff now has a marketing value. You're gonna have to catch up and stop taking this stuff a little less seriously.

The stuff you like IS anathema to someone else with different taste. So what. Just enjoy what you like with out the evangelism.

I think I come off pretty well in the 'corporate sponsorship' test, I have never paid for any kind of brand-name anything, the last time I bought a CD was when I was 9 or so.

I won't deny Eminems, err, talent, but being a good rapper is like being a good burglar, it takes skill, but it isn't necessarily directed in a healthy way.

I realise the 'horses for courses' stand, but I am personally flabbergasted at the amount of money and prestige Eminem gets for being a corporate frontman. I am always striving to improve my musical taste, and as a guitarist, (you can see a couple of bits I have recorded, www.audiostreet.net/jmz fun stuff this recording shizzle!), my playing of the instrument has changed my musical tastes radically. Many moons ago, I was downloading Eminem and Avril Lavigne, because I had basically no idea what I was doing.

Since my study of the instrument, my musical taste has evolved constantly, and I can now appreciate far more fully a well crafted song, full of power and beauty. Eminems music has a message, and it made with talent, but it is almost completely lacking in melody, rhythm, harmony, basically all important musical elements.

What I am left to conclude, is that his music is just a grab for cash. He admits in his own songs how he uses his whiteness to tap the previously unavailable markets of easily manipulated children, re: White America (I didn't download it! I listened to it at the CD Store in one of those thingie-bobs)

I see many people who make some of the most stunning and beautiful music I have ever heard, at sites like www.guitarwar.com, and they get squat. meanwhile teenie-bopper idols like Eminem get fame and fourtune. This is my gripe against Eminem and the system that spawned him.

Thank you for your time ladies and gentlemen and slobbargoats. (Give me some feedback if you listened to my guitar shizzle!)

[marty]

eminem is like robbie williams. neither of them are classical artists, but both are VERY good at what they do. if that's sucking people into buying their brand, then good on them. if in your eyes i'm a poser faggot for shaking my head in disbelief and occasionally enjoying their brash lack of humbleness, then fuck you too.