Hardcore Biker
Family told to repay $19,000 in Burton case.
The family of a man murdered by Graeme Burton have been told to repay up to $19,000 in legal aid granted for an inquest into his death.
But while taxpayers will pay about $40,000 for double-killer Burton's amputation and prosthetic leg - a result of the shootout that followed Mr Kuchenbecker's murder - she has been told to repay legal fees for a four-day coroner's inquest at $25 a week.
What are your thoughts on this one??
Geriatric hippie
Well, this site should be able to raise some 2000-odd letters to MP's for starters. Let the buggers know that Joe Public ain't impressed.
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Hardcore Biker
Yeah pretty fucked up...hopefully some people will get behind her and help cover the costs. But yeah it's a disgrace, just another example of a fucked justice system.
Hardcore Biker
Refuse to pay, jump up and down throw stones at the beehive ect, get fairgo onto the job, don't let the victims become the victims, if the idiots in our Govt let this happen remember them all !!! when it is time to put their sorry arses back into power (but who would want to)?
sem fiddy pilot
Posted in the other thread... this IS WRONG. The family should be getting Burton's 40 grand (x10), and burton should be paying the 19 grand. I'm ashamed to be a kiwi when this sort of shit is permitted to happen
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Originally Posted by PrincessBandit
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A donation setup should be done. Wouldn't take much for an old fashioned whip around....If they are unable to get it wiped..... As they have been encouraged to do so....
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The bill should be passed on to burton (deliberate non-caps of name) and he should pay this.
He is probably getting ACC payments for the loss of his leg and "emotional stress"...
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Why the fuck should the public have to have a fuckin' "pass the hat"??A donation setup should be done. Wouldn't take much for an old fashioned whip around....
The retarded gubbinment made the stupid rules. She shouldn't pay a cent!
Much the same as schools having to have "donations" to keep the school running because the treasury drip-feeds sod all funding to them!
Luckily cullens' budget surplus is growing for the big 2008 vote-buying extravaganza.
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That's a really nice sentiment Dingoz, I admire this and would happily contribute but just paying the money is not the point.A donation setup should be done. Wouldn't take much for an old fashioned whip around....
When did this country start putting the rights of the perpetrator before those of the victim?
The Human rights movement has a lot to answer for here IMO, I believe in equal rights for everyone, but when such a heinous crime is committed the convicted criminal should be made to give up some of theirs.
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And why should the family of Karl have to pay for an inquest in their sons’ death which in my opinion was directly caused by failures in the public service .
That's right the public service paid for by all taxpayers to serve the public. And in this instance we have all been let down on two fronts , firstly the corrections system that allowed a person who was obviously a danger to society back into it and the fact the none has been held accountable for this failure.
This is where things have gone wrong in my opinion and I am truly saddened that it took this horrible incident and the subsequent events to bring this to the fore.
Yeah too right!
I will be seriously looking at how I vote next election. Like Pussy said things like this make me feel ashamed and I feel this country is far too good to be ashamed of.
I will be writing a letter which is a big step for me but I've gotten to the stage where I feel positive action is required. It’s really about time we all started to get serious about getting things right for this country and if one positive thing comes out of this it’s that it sparked relatively ambivalent people like me into action.
Mad nagging bitch!
Victimise the victim again??
WTF is wrong with this picture?
If there are costs incurred as a result of someone's illegal actions then the costs should be borne by the perp, not the victim.
This is just wrong on every level. That family has suffered enough already.
Makes me ashamed to be Kiwi.
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If my nose was running money, I'd blow it all on you...
BogOff-Cant you see I'm busy?
This is adding insult and potentially life destruction to extreme injury and deep emotional trauma.
If such a decision was to result in individuals completely losing it and potentially taking a meat cleaver to someone appearing to be endorsing such a deverstating message, whom would be responsible and also accountable for the cause and effect?
Perhaps there should be some kind of training made available to such decsion makers to stop them being such dickheads?
sem fiddy pilot
"you must spread some reputation etc..." Well said, Sully. This sort of crap MUST stop. I can't imagine how the victim's family must be feelingThat's a really nice sentiment Dingoz, I admire this and would happily contribute but just paying the money is not the point.
When did this country start putting the rights of the perpetrator before those of the victim?
The Human rights movement has a lot to answer for here IMO, I believe in equal rights for everyone, but when such a heinous crime is committed the convicted criminal should be made to give up some of theirs.
And why should the family of Karl have to pay for an inquest in their sons’ death which in my opinion was directly caused by failures in the public service .
That's right the public service paid for by all taxpayers to serve the public. And in this instance we have all been let down on two fronts , firstly the corrections system that allowed a person who was obviously a danger to society back into it and the fact the none has been held accountable for this failure.
This is where things have gone wrong in my opinion and I am truly saddened that it took this horrible incident and the subsequent events to bring this to the fore.
Yeah too right!
I will be seriously looking at how I vote next election. Like Pussy said things like this make me feel ashamed and I feel this country is far too good to be ashamed of.
I will be writing a letter which is a big step for me but I've gotten to the stage where I feel positive action is required. It’s really about time we all started to get serious about getting things right for this country and if one positive thing comes out of this it’s that it sparked relatively ambivalent people like me into action.
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Weekend cruiser
Damn straight it was a failure of the public service. Not only was it wrong to release him back into society when they did, but check out the rough sequence of events:
Dec 22: Court issues the warrant to arrest Burton. It is typed up but is not ready for the orderly to collect by the time he leaves.
Dec 23: The Dominion Post publishes a story reporting Burton is wanted for 8arrest. Police do not see the story.
Dec 27: Court reopens after Christmas. An officer clears the warrants tray and sends Burton's warrant to prosecutions.
Jan 3: Prosecutions staff return from holiday and send it to internal records. Armed police are called to reports that Burton and an associate are attacking a man in an inner-city apartment.
Jan 4: Internal records enter the warrant on the police system.
Jan 6: Burton is shot and arrested after murdering Karl Kuchenbecker.
Perhaps the warrant for the arrest of a known unpredictably violent and police hating criminal could have been dealt with with a little more urgency?
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Forum whore
Hard to comprehend really. The twats that come up with this sort of crap should all be stuck in a cell with Burton for a while. The family should refuse to pay - be interested to see how far they pushed it. What're they gonna do lock them up too? Probably - it's ok to butcher someone but not to owe the government any money.
As for Burton - still waiting for the day he tries to take on someone a bit bigger & nastier than him. Like to see his head amputated.
I'm not SMPL I'm just special
Why the hell should the family pay? They are already paying for the fact that they have lost a father, son, brother and friend for doing something he loved only to be in the wrong place at the wrong time due to the system not working and letting this idiot out on parole. Wainuiomata is a small community where everyone knows everyone and I'm pretty sure (even though I don't live there anymore) that the community will band together to help the family should this be the case. When Graham Burton shot Karl it rocked the whole of Wainui. Everyone I know was absolutely devastated that this could happen to someone in our little swamp. Its absolutely disgusting what is being asked of the family and I for one would be more than happy to help the family out should the decision not be reversed.
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