What do you drive and why ??

[TonyB]

I think this arguement, which is well off topic, can be sumed up like this:

Some bikes are faster than some cars.
Some cars are faster than some bikes.
Some cars that are faster than some bikes are slower on some surfaces.
Some bikes that are faster than some cars are slower on some other surfaces.
Some bikes that are slower than some cars are somewhat cheaper than some cars are.
Some bikes are slower than some purpose-built race cars.
Some purpose-built race cars are slower than some bikes.
Some people are full of shit.

Very well put. When all is said and done, bikes and cars are totally different machines, with different strengths and weaknesses. In the real world the biggest deciding factor is probably going to be in the driver/ riders heads. The consequences of a mistake are far more serious for a rider, therefore if he/she has any sense they will not push the limits as hard as the driver would on the road. Plus it takes more skill (and bravery) to ride a bike than to drive a car. Most riders (myself included) are probably not that skilled. Aaron Slight can beat a Radical around the track, but I have a feeling none of us could.

[justsomeguy]

Very well put. When all is said and done, bikes and cars are totally different machines, with different strengths and weaknesses. In the real world the biggest deciding factor is probably going to be in the driver/ riders heads. The consequences of a mistake are far more serious for a rider, therefore if he/she has any sense they will not push the limits as hard as the driver would on the road. Plus it takes more skill (and bravery) to ride a bike than to drive a car. Most riders (myself included) are probably not that skilled. Aaron Slight can beat a Radical around the track, but I have a feeling none of us could.

Yes, I feel on the same stretch of road if the car driver is equally skilled as the bike rider and both of the machines have equal amounts of performance, then the car will win. Pretty much every time.

[Pixie]

A 1990 Mazda MX5, blue, 1600, completely standard. It's not fast, but I love the top down cruising on a hot day. Got zero boot space, partly since I've got a cd changer in there. Only 2 seats, so not a family car by any means...

Snap! 1993 Blue MX5 aluminium roll cage ,Ohlins suspension ,O.Z.wheels- service vehicle ,just enough boot space for my tools.
Only car that won't bore me to death.I had 15 years of driving aussie tank company cars
Motor is in the proper place for a roadster.

[Pixie]

Ah right. Yes. Its completely to do with the cylinder layout.
Start with porsche, this is what is also refered to as a boxer type engine. Take a V6, and squash it flat, so you have 3 cylinders pointing to the left, and 3 to the right, directly opposing each other.

Inline and "straight" is usually refering to the same thing. Just like your typical 4cyl motorcycle engine, thats an inline four (although there are a couple of V4's out there).

As for the W engine configuration, "apparently" its like two lots of cylinders on top of each other (in V's), but I havent actually seen any kind of scheme myself so I dont have a clear picture in my head.

The Volks Wagen engines (modern) are monoblock V's .The cylinders are arranged like so:
. OOO
.. OO
(in the case of a V5)
The cylinders are bored into one casting.
The W configuration engines use two such blocks arranged in a V (confused yet?)
They all use one cankshaft and are half a bore shorter than the equivalent
"normal" V engine of the same number of cylinders.
Are you bored yet?

[Pixie]

Performance bikes did a recent comparo between a heavily wanked WRX, a Gixxer 1K and a GS500.

Interestingly, BOTH bikes fucked the car everywhere except braking.

Seen the results myself.

If anyone thinks they're the gun in their V8 or Hairdressers car, I'll gladly meet them at Taupo for a DRY track battle. No race cars, I'll be on a road bike.

And a kart will piss over anything on a kart track....

[Motu]

The Volks Wagen engines (modern) are monoblock V's .The cylinders are arranged like so:
. OOO
.. OO
(in the case of a V5)
The cylinders are bored into one casting.
The W configuration engines use two such blocks arranged in a V (confused yet?)
They all use one cankshaft and are half a bore shorter than the equivalent
"normal" V engine of the same number of cylinders.
Are you bored yet?

Isn't it a bugger when all the great new ideas have been done before the designers mother,or grandmother was born?

Lancia made very narrow angle Vs with a single cyl head for decades,with an angle as low as 13deg and never more than 24deg,starting from 1922. They used the method in everything from the 903cc Ardea up to the big 4 litre V8 Dilambda.

Great ideas never die,they just get reinvented by someone else.

[Kickaha]

And a kart will piss over anything on a kart track....

the right kind of Kart will piss over everything on a big track to,you'd need to be in the 37s bracket at Taupo to beat the superkarts

[gav]

Damn, beat me to it, arent the NZ V8 Supercars running about the same times as the NZ Superbikes, and I think a superkart can lap Ruapuna way quicker again? Hell, I've caught bikes on hills driving either of my Civics (89 LX 1.5 and 97 Ferio) and also been caught by the odd car thats pushing faster than I was prepared to go, pull over let them past and then try and tag along, not always that easy, oh well, good on them.

[Kickaha]

Damn, beat me to it, arent the NZ V8 Supercars running about the same times as the NZ Superbikes, and I think a superkart can lap Ruapuna way quicker again?

Superkart at Ruapuna 1.27 Nigel Sheppard in his TZ250 powered PVP
Andrew Stroud on the GSXR1000 1.32 what a slow piece of crap
both using the same track configuration.

[White trash]

And a kart will piss over anything on a kart track....

Karts aren't cars.

[onearmedbandit]

But they are spelt almost the same, save for a 'k' and a 't'.

[justsomeguy]

But they are spelt almost the same, save for a 'k' and a 't'.

The first time I saw a race kart and was told it would do over 250kmph I was bloody

[StoneChucker]

The first time I saw a race kart and was told it would do over 250kmph I was bloody

Dammit, got a great "GixxerKart" video, but it's 13.3MB... Some nutter stuck a 1100cc Gixxer engine into a kart! Total Kart weight = 135kgs

Unbelievable speed and cornering, wouldn't ever try to beat it in a car or on a bike.

[justsomeguy]

Dammit, got a great "GixxerKart" video, but it's 13.3MB... Some nutter stuck a 1100cc Gixxer engine into a kart! Total Kart weight = 135kgs

Unbelievable speed and cornering, wouldn't ever try to beat it in a car or on a bike.

Post it here please

[justsomeguy]

Oye people......


Would a Kart with say a 600 engine and appropriate running gear be as reliable as say a motorbike???

I mean could you take it along on say a KB ride??

Legal issues aside.........