Crash scene -what do you do?

[FROSTY:Me]

Scenario. -Its late at night. You come across a bike accident where there are two people lyiing on the ground.
Crash scene has been secured.
One person is lying face down not moving the other is rolling around a bit and making groaning noise. There are no trained medical people around.
What would you do?

[Bikernereid]

If you think one person is dead, check first. If yes than make sure the other person's air way is not obstructed. DO NOT move them if you think for one second they may have spinal injuries.

If not dead do first aid and if not breathing do 30 chest compressions followed by 2 mouth to mouth breaths and repeat until person is breathing.

Then call the emergency services.

Make sure they are warm and talk to them to reassure them and make them feel safe and secure. That is what I would do.

[sAsLEX]

Contact 111 whilst going to the quiet one, noisy people are never hurt that bad they just think they are.

And being a biker I would have done some basic first aid due to the inherent danger in my past time and the high likely hood that this skill would be needed one day.

[Grub]

Yup sounds like the business. I remember one exercise we did someone was screaming their lungs off and the other was quiet. It's the quiet ones that need your attention first, they're usually in the worst shape.

The other thing not to do is take their helmet off straight away if you can help it. There's a thread by RiffRaff about how to do it properly. It's a tough call because you need the helmet off to clear airways and do mouth-mouth.

[sAsLEX]

It's a tough call because you need the helmet off to clear airways and do mouth-mouth.

Sure removing their helmet might injure their neck, but not doing it could leave them dead, makes the decision a little easier.

[Nasty]

Sure removing their helmet might injure their neck, but not doing it could leave them dead, makes the decision a little easier.

Also removing it may exacerbate a neck injury and leave them paralysed .... there are many ifs and butts here ...

[FROSTY:Me]

Ok so see if I have this right. Go to quiet one first--establish if d or a then.
if dead -Go to the noisier one and see what you could do to help.
If not dead?

[homer]

accertain whos at fault , then proceed to help the others ring 111

[James Deuce]

Try not to run them over as you weave through the wreckage on your way past.

You don't want to run over anything sharp and get a puncture.

[Bikernereid]

Ok so see if I have this right. Go to quiet one first--establish if d or a then.
if dead -Go to the noisier one and see what you could do to help.
If not dead?

If the person is not dead make sure that thier airway is clear so that they can breath unassisted. You should be able to see thier breath on thier visor or you could open visor and hover hand over mouth to see if you can feel thier breath on your hand.

At the end of the day you have to make a decision- would the person rather being paralysed and alive or dead. Making sure the person can breath and doesn't end up also being barin damaged would be my preference so if I thought it essential I would remove the helmet. So if you think the airway might be blocked you need to remove helmet make sure there is no blockage in the throat and tilt the head backwards using the chin to do so.

If you don't think the spine is damaged then you need to get the person into the recover position.

[slimjim]

Try not to run them over as you weave through the wreckage on your way past.

You don't want to run over anything sharp and get a puncture.

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yup that'll do it

[speights_bud]

Removing helmets discussed here:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...emoving+helmet

[Mikkel]

Try not to run them over as you weave through the wreckage on your way past.

You don't want to run over anything sharp and get a puncture.

Do on your back wheel so at least the front will be fine. It'll also make weaving around the people on the ground more challenging. And it'll make you look even cooler.

Alternatively, stop, get off your bike, tell the screamer to harden the fuck up and then wheelie off into the distance. (check if he's got some petrol money for you...) (p/t)


Well, it's all hypothetical - I wouldn't be there, considering there would be no trained medical people around

[FROSTY:Me]

Do on your back wheel so at least the front will be fine. It'll also make weaving around the people on the ground more challenging. And it'll make you look even cooler.

Alternatively, stop, get off your bike, tell the screamer to harden the fuck up and then wheelie off into the distance. (check if he's got some petrol money for you...)


Well, it's all hypothetical - I wouldn't be there, considering there would be no trained medical people around

Screamer was a girl.Dress jacket no gloves flat slip on shoes
Tell ya what Ill give you the addy for the ICU she's in and YOU can go tell her to HTFU

[merv]

Somewhere in amongst all the carnage if you have another person with you its easier, make sure if one of you has the knowledge and wherewithall then also check the bike as in if the motor is still running turn it off and see if you can stand the bike upright to stop fuel leaking and that kind of stuff - you don't want a kaboom near injured people and you as rescuer.